I Need a Red Cherry Tomato

[Tracydr]

Green Doctors or Green Doctors Frosted sound wonderful. I do really like green when ripe tomatoes.
Roper2008, thanks for the feedback on Matt's. Did you have any germination problems with the small seed? I had a pack of seed and for some reason was never successful with the darn things. You'd think if they grew wild....

[Tracydr]

Originally Posted by SEAMSFASTER

I grew Green Grape in 2010 and didn't care for it much. I waited for that "amber blush" before picking.

I've had a bit more education, experience and good advice since then.

In 2011, I learned to wait, wait, wait - until they were nearly all amber and soft ripe (see pic). Then they were fabulous tasting! Quite sweet, but not overwhelming. "Spicy" as others suggest, but I don't know quite how to describe that. Distinctive, fruity, juicy and very pleasant flavor, no undesirable aftertaste. Tough to get to market without special care (and self-discipline...).

Green Doctors Frosted has been high on my "Must Get" list for several months now. Guess I better get with it before someone buy's 'em all out!

Might just have to plant some, since I already have the seed! They're early, aren't they? That would be nice. Here in AZ, it can be a race sometimes to get tomatoes before it gets too hot for fruit set.

[doublehelix]

Tomatoberry F1 has good flavor, heavy production, some heat tolerance and no cracking. It is from the same people that gave us Sungold. It is also quite pretty.

[SEAMSFASTER]

Originally Posted by Tracydr

Might just have to plant some, since I already have the seed! They're early, aren't they? That would be nice. Here in AZ, it can be a race sometimes to get tomatoes before it gets too hot for fruit set.

For me, not as early as I would have expected - 100 days in 2010, 93 in 2011. This is a week or two later than most others report. The fruits seem to get full size then just sit there (tempting me...) for weeks before getting ripe enough to be really delicious.

Compared to many parts of AZ, summers here (Salt Lake Valley) are relatively cool. I would guess that warmer days and nights would ripen up your fruits much faster than they do here. Get an early start (mid January perhaps) indoors and you'll likely get good production.

[Tracydr]

I'm starting seeds today. If I waited until mid-January I'd be way behind.

[roper2008]

Originally Posted by Tracydr

Green Doctors or Green Doctors Frosted sound wonderful. I do really like green when ripe tomatoes.
Roper2008, thanks for the feedback on Matt's. Did you have any germination problems with the small seed? I had a pack of seed and for some reason was never successful with the darn things. You'd think if they grew wild....

Never had problems germinating them. They are just as easy as any other
tomato seed. Maybe your seed are not good.

[kurt]

I have been growing sweet mills for the last ten years and 25% of the sweets are always put in each year.I found a apero cherry that is just as sweet and equally productive(25%)Then I put in for the wife some Aunt Ruby yellow cherrys for color(10%)Black cherrys(10%)Peacevine cherrys(10%).Then I threw some Orange currants,Angola super sweets(wispy droopy,a fine hair on berrys,very productive,but hard to manage)Always the german Reisenstrube.Those bring a nice color to the garden.Since the determinates do not fair so well down here in S Florida the only ones I can get to produce are the Mister Stripeys(tigerella,I beleive)Black prince and beleive it or not White Wonders.I wish I had room for more because I drool at all the different varietys and want them all.Since it is the wife and I only now I stay away from the larger rounds because we cannot eat them fast enough but we can munch on the prolific cherrys since they ripen over a longer period of time.Good Luck and have a nice Holiday season.Kurt

[carolyn137]

Kurt, just some gentle suggestions for names and histores in case anyone wants to Google any of the varieties you mention>

Angola Super Sweet is Angora Super Sweet and that latter was changed from the original and real name of Velvet Red.

Riesentraube we have with German spelling but it was grown all over Europe and no one knows where it originated from. In Hungary it was known as Goat's T*t b.c of the small nipple at the blossom end of the fruits.

THe original Tigerella was bred by the Glasshouse reserach in England and the other varieties that came out of the original cross were Tangella and Craigella. Tigerella is a small red with gold stripes, splits with the AM dew and has a very aggressive taste, which I don't like. It was quickly dubbed Mr. Stripey decades ago.

The variety known as Mr. Stripey was named by the folks at Seeds by Design in CA who didn't know there already was a Mr. Stripey, the variety was originally from GA and seeds were sent to SBD by Wayne Hilton, who used to own Totally Tomatoes, Seymour's Seeds, VT Bean, Shumway,etc., which were all sold to Jung's several years ago.

This Mr Stripey is a large gold/red bicolor, one of about 200 similar ones and has showed up at big box stores since SBD lists it on the commercial list of seeds they have forr sale.

Finally, I'm interested in what you call an orange currant, I know of red and yellow and ivory, and Tim Peters used to carry a pink, and someone from FL sent me seeds for what he thinks is a pink, but I haven't heard of any orange currant variety.

Could you please tell me more about it and where you got seeds for it? Currant varieties have very different foliage a distribution of fruits on a truss and don't look like the more common cherry tomatoes, aside from the former being wee fruited. Thanks.

Hope that helps.

[kurt]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Kurt, just some gentle suggestions for names and histores in case anyone wants to Google any of the varieties you mention>

Angola Super Sweet is Angora Super Sweet and that latter was changed from the original and real name of Velvet Red.

Riesentraube we have with German spelling but it was grown all over Europe and no one knows where it originated from. In Hungary it was known as Goat's T*t b.c of the small nipple at the blossom end of the fruits.

THe original Tigerella was bred by the Glasshouse reserach in England and the other varieties that came out of the original cross were Tangella and Craigella. Tigerella is a small red with gold stripes, splits with the AM dew and has a very aggressive taste, which I don't like. It was quickly dubbed Mr. Stripey decades ago.

The variety known as Mr. Stripey was named by the folks at Seeds by Design in CA who didn't know there already was a Mr. Stripey, the variety was originally from GA and seeds were sent to SBD by Wayne Hilton, who used to own Totally Tomatoes, Seymour's Seeds, VT Bean, Shumway,etc., which were all sold to Jung's several years ago.

This Mr Stripey is a large gold/red bicolor, one of about 200 similar ones and has showed up at big box stores since SBD lists it on the commercial list of seeds they have forr sale.

Finally, I'm interested in what you call an orange currant, I know of red and yellow and ivory, and Tim Peters used to carry a pink, and someone from FL sent me seeds for what he thinks is a pink, but I haven't heard of any orange currant variety.

Could you please tell me more about it and where you got seeds for it? Currant varieties have very different foliage a distribution of fruits on a truss and don't look like the more common cherry tomatoes, aside from the former being wee fruited. Thanks.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the correction,Angola sticks in my mind since I spent some time there back in the day for a government agency.I know it was Angora but it just slips in typing all the time.About three years ago the wife bought some mixed pack of small tomatoes at a Winn Dixie and in the pack were these orange colored not round not really grape,the bottom of the container listed "may contain yellow pear,grape,orange currant,assorted cherry tomatos"I thought was strange because those small packs never list the variety.But the orange ones were about 3/4 inch,somewhat elongnated with a hint of a tip on them.The reason I saved and grew because they were orange like a pumpkin and had a really fruity darn good flavor,almost like a jelly bean flavor.Plus the wife insisted I grow them for her,as we all know"Man has last word,YES DEAR!"

[kurt]

P.S.Just for the fun of it went on the web and found some orange currants listed at adapted seeds.Kurt

[Wi-sunflower]

Carolyn,

Current Gold Rush is a true currant according to the SSE public catalog and grows quite orange for me.

Carol

http://www.seedsavers.org/Details.as...o=1229%28OG%29

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by kurt

P.S.Just for the fun of it went on the web and found some orange currants listed at adapted seeds.Kurt

I went to Adaptive Seeds as well and the minute that I saw so many out of date genus and species names for some tomatoes shown and then saw the name Gerhard Bohl of Germany, I kind of figured it out.

What's shown as Orange Currant at the website is no doubt Solanum cheesmanii, which is a different species than S. pimpinellifolium, the genus and species of currant tomatoes.

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isc...l1017l5.5l10l0


If you put your mouse pointer on an image it brings up the info as to what it is and where the image came from.

S. Cheesmanii is the salt tolerant one that has been used so much in developing larger salt tolerant tomato varieties for use in areas where the water is briny. And even some of those images still have the wrong genus and species, but some have the right one. Just look at the small orange ones.

What did you think of the taste? It should have been a det plant with lots of fruits on it.

If you Google it you'll also find that it's available at a few other places and here's Tania's page for it.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Cheesemans

I checked out the picture at Heritage Harvest and although the fruits should be reddish orange they looked pretty red to me but photography can be an issue, as you know.

I asked someone who was going to the Galapagos Islands to bring me back some cheesmanii, but what I got was what was eventually called Sara's Galapagos, which is a stable cross between a currant and something else according to Dr. Chatelet at the Rick Center when I asked him about it

Hope that helps.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Wi-sunflower

Carolyn,

Current Gold Rush is a true currant according to the SSE public catalog and grows quite orange for me.

Carol

http://www.seedsavers.org/Details.as...o=1229%28OG%29

Carol, we posted just 5 minutes apart b'c I was running around fetching links and going to other sites to check pictures.

I posted right below you and what's being called Orange Currant isn't, as I think you'll see from my post.

Yes, I know Currant Gold Rush is supposed to be a currant but if you look at the Google pictures I put up gold doesn't equal orange and when I just looked at the SSE picture it looked yellow, but I think knowing about Gerhard Bohl and his tomato collection in Germany and the Adaptive web site and his use of outdated species names kind of clinched it for me as being S. cheesmanii and not S. pimpinellifolium.

[Wi-sunflower]

I've grown Yellow Currant and Gold Rush for many years and Gold Rush IS definitely ORANGE not yellow. I don't care what the Pics look like. It's orange.

Carol

[Tracydr]

I bet you're right. Especially since the ones that did germinate were very weak and didn't survive.