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September 22, 2011 | #1 |
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Great idea.
Thanks for the help, y'all. Penny |
October 2, 2011 | #2 |
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What does OTV "off the vine" mean?
As in "Brandywine OTV" or Rutgers OTV ? ? |
October 2, 2011 | #3 |
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OTV = Off The Vine; a newsletter that Craig LeHoullier and Carolyn Male once published.
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Craig had sent out seeds of Yellow Brandywine and got back seeds of a great looking red beesteak, PL, and a picture with it. Since I had much more room tha ne did I offered to dehybridize those crossed seeds and had to go out to the F5, aka 5 years, before it was genetically stable. I know lots of different versions of Rutgers but not one called Rutgers OTV.
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October 2, 2011 | #5 |
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I may be mis-remembering the Rutgers OTV, I thought I seen it somewhere in a seed catalog, but I don't remember where.
I understand now, OTV Brandywine is a named variety. Thanks. john |
October 3, 2011 | #6 |
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Tomato and Gardening Glossary and Abbreviations AGG -- Aunt Gertie's Gold; a yellowish-orange or gold late season beefsteak ARGG -- Aunt Ruby's German Green; a green-when-ripe beefsteak tomato bagged -- seed from flowers that were bagged to prevent accidental hybridization by insects BB -- Bloody Butcher; a productive red saladette regular-leaf tomato BB -- Brandy Boy; a hybrid of Brandywine developed by Burpee Seed Co BBH -- Brad's Black Heart; a large oxheart purple tomato; developed by Brad Gates BCW -- Box Car Willie; a medium red oblate tomato; an off-type exists beefsteak -- a traditional tomato shape, slightly flattened with large shoulders that produces large slices BER -- blossom end rot; a calcium deficiency remedied by consistent watering and application of mulch BFT -- Black from Tula; a medium purple oblate tomato BP -- Black Prince Brandywine OTV -- large red beefsteak tomato named after "Off The Vine", a newsletter once published by Craig LeHoullier and Carolyn Male. BT -- Bacillus thuringiensis; a natural pesticide for caterpillars including hornworms; marketed as Dipel Dust or BT Worm Killer BTD -- Berkeley Tie Dye; a medium green-when-ripe tomato with red and purple striations; developed by Brad Gates BW -- typically refers to the large pink Brandywine saved Ben Quisenberry; or one of the many tomato varieties with the "Brandywine" moniker including Red Brandywine, Brandywine (pink, Sudduth's), etc. BWS -- Brandywine Sudduth's; the "original" pink beefsteak known for excellent flavor and finicky productivity; seeds provided to Ben Quisenberry by Dorris Sudduth Hill; grown since the 1880's BWPS -- Big White Pink Stripes (sometimes marketed by the acronym alone); large pale peach-colored beefsteak with faint pink blush Catfaced -- distorted fruit, usually resulting from incomplete pollination of a flower CC -- Cherokee Chocolate; a dusky purple beefsteak tomato CG -- Cherokee Green; a green-when-ripe beefsteak regular-leaf tomato CP -- Cherokee Purple; a purple beefsteak regular-leaf tomato; discovered by craig LeHoullier CMV -- cucumber mosaic virus CRM -- concrete reinforcing mesh CRW -- concrete reinforcing wire CSA -- community supported agriculture, also known as "subscription farming" CTV -- Curly Top Virus; also seen as beet leaf curly top virus (BLCTV) DG -- Dave's Garden®; a garden bulletin board and resource website Det -- determinate; a tomato variety that produces in one harvest DTM -- days to maturity; time (with ideal good conditions) from transplant to mature fruit. DIY EB -- Do-it-yourself Earthbox®. - home-made self-watering plant containers DWS -- Dancing With Smurfs Dwarf -- a tomato plant with rough thick rugose-type foliage; a compact tomato variety suitable for container growing; may be determinate or indeterminate in habit EB's -- Earthboxes®, a commercial self-watering container EF -- Earl's Faux; a pink potato-leaf beefsteak; discovered by Earl Cadenhead EPA -- Environmental Protection Agency EPB -- Eva Purple Ball; a pink saladette tomato F1 -- a hybrid "cross" between two different tomato varieties; the first generation of a newly made hybrid F -- Fusarium wilt; a soilborn fungal disease; "F" after a variety name indicates disease tolerance Florida weave -- a trellising method GA -- Gregori's Altai; an early pink beefsteak tomato GDC -- Golden Dwarf Champion; a yellow saladette tomato produced on a compact rugose dwarf tomato plant; from Burpee Seed Co (1899) GE -- genetically engineered GG -- Green Giant; a green-when-ripe beefsteak tomato GH -- greenhouse GJ -- German Johnson; large pink beefsteak produced on a regular-leaf tomato plant GMG -- Grub's Mystery Green; a green-when-ripe beefsteak tomato; discovered by David "Grub" Lockwood GMO -- genetically-modified organism GRS -- German Red Strawberry; large red oxheart tomato GW -- GardenWeb® - a garden bulletin board website GWR -- green-when-ripe tomato Indet -- indeterminate (produces tomatoes over an extended period) JBT -- Japanese Black Trifele; dusky black pear-shaped medium tomato; commercial Russian variety JF -- Jaune Flammée; orange saladette with red interior; French family heirloom which translates to "fiery yellow" KB -- Kellogg's Breakfast; large orange beefsteak regular-leaf tomato; discovered by Darrell Kellogg KBX -- potato-leaf variation on Kellogg's Breakfast KHP -- Kalman's Hungarian Pink; a pink plum regular-leaf tomato; LC -- Lucky Cross; a reddish-yellow bicolor potato-leaf beefsteak; possible cross of Brandywine and Tigerella stabilized by Craig LeHoullier and Larry Bohs Lucky X -- Lucky Cross; see above LL -- Little Lucky; a golden oblate tomato with bright red blush and striking pink internal pink marbling; cousin to Lucky Cross LGS -- Lime Green Salad; a green-when-ripe saladette tomato produced on a compact rugose dwarf tomato plant; developed by Tom Wagner LPB -- Large Pink Bulgarian; medium pink regular-leaf beefsteak tomato of Bulgarian origins LYH -- Lillian's Yellow Heirloom; large yellow potato-leaf beefsteak tomato MG -- Miracle-Gro ® fertilizer ML -- Mortgage Lifter; large regular-leaf pink beefsteak; conflicting histories abound about a radiator repairman who crossed 4 large varieties and used the profits of either the fruit or seedlings to pay off his mortgage MP -- Marianna's Peace; large pink potato-leaf beefsteaf; originally vended for $25/pack by Gary Ibsen of Tomatofest NAR -- Neves Azorean Red; a large red regular-leaf beefsteak; initially distributed by Carolyn Male, originally from Anthony Neves, founder of Neptune Harvest NBD -- New Big Dwarf; a medium pink beefsteak tomato produced on a compact rugose dwarf tomato plant; Isbell's Seed Company (1900's) NCP -- natural cross-pollination NPK -- Nitrogen: Phosphorus: Potassium; the ratios of the three major nutrients in a fertilizer NSP -- natural self-pollination OP -- open-pollinated; a stable variety that will grow "true" if seeds are saved (not an F1 hybrid) OTV -- "Off The Vine", a newsletter once published by Craig LeHoullier and Carolyn Male. PL -- potato leaf; a tomato variety with leaves shaped more like those of a potato plant; not regular-leaf PPP -- Pink Ping Pong, or perhaps, rarely, Pale Perfect Purple RKN -- root knot nematode; a soilborne pest which attacks the roots of tomato plants RL -- regular leaf; a tomato variety with traditionally-shaped tomato plant leaves SAP -- Sub-Arctic Plenty; very early red saladette ideal for containers; developed by Dr. Harris SESE -- Southern Exposure Seed Exchange SFG -- Square Foot Gardening; a gardening book and method SFT -- Silvery Fir Tree; a sharp red saladette tomato from a compact plant with carrot-like feathered foliage; a traditional Russian variety SHP -- Sand Hill Preservation seeds SOTW -- Stump Of the World; a large pink potato-leaf beefsteak; saved by Ben Quisenberry SSE -- Seed Saver's Exchange; a non-profit seed preservation organization stitching -- a long blossom end scar on the bottom of the fruit SWC -- self-watering container TGS(C) -- Tomato Grower's Supply Company ®, a seed and supplies website TMV -- Tobacco Mosaic Virus ToMV -- Tomato Mosaic Virus TmRSV -- Tomato Ring Spot Virus TSWV -- Tomato Spotted Wilt Virus; a fast-acting difficult-to-control fruit and foliage disease transmitted by thrips TT -- Totally Tomatoes ®, a seed, supplies, and bulletin board website TT -- Tomato Tone® OMRI fertilizer by Espoma TTC -- Texas Tomato Cage TV -- Tomatoville® - this website TYLCV -- Tomato Yellow Leaf Curl Virus TYW -- Tom's Yellow Wonder; pale yellow medium regular-leaf beefsteak; discovered by Tom Micholas as a likely cross of Wonder Light and Pineapple V -- Verticillium wilt; a soilborne fungal disease; "V" after a variety name indicates disease tolerance WOW -- Wall O' Water®; a frost-protection device Internet Abbreviations AKA -- also known as ASAP -- as soon as possible b/c -- because BTW -- by the way DH -- Dear Husband DW -- Dear Wife FWIW -- for what it's worth IANAL -- I am not a lawyer (someone discussing legal issues without a formal law school education) IIRC -- if I recall correctly IMHO -- in my humble opinion IMO -- in my opinion IRL -- in real life LOL -- laugh(ing) out loud OTOH -- on the other hand PITA -- pain in the arse PNW -- Pacific North West of the United States PM -- private message PPM -- part per million - a measurment often seen in soil tests and hydroponic solutions ROFLMAO -- rolling on the floor, laughing my a** off SASE -- self-addressed stamped envelope SASBE -- self-addressed stamped bubble envelope (to prevent seed damage) SH -- southern hemisphere SO -- significant other TYVM -- thank you very much YMMV -- your mileage may vary (ie. your experience may be different)
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January 25, 2012 | #7 |
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That's totally understandable. I hope you weren't offended, I respect and admire you sooo much. You are truly remarkable, and very generous.
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April 5, 2012 | #8 |
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Abbreviations are a fact of life and save time....but can get way out of hand.
I think clarifying if you are not sure what the term is is the way to go.... I also find it makes you think and explore the site to find out what the definition is....it can be time consuming but a learning experience.' I am new to this site, not to gardening or tomatos and have learned so much just in the few weeks I have started to use the forum here. I appreciate the long lists of definitions posted here, I only found them today when reading recent posts...a lot of effort and consideration went in to compile them. Thanks |
October 27, 2012 | #9 |
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Glad to see you folks are still working on the glossary I suggested several years ago. Lots of good information in these posts. Congratulations and hello, again.
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February 8, 2013 | #10 |
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A new one:
SIP: sub-irrigated planter
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Just had a couple good laughs, thanks for the thread as I am a newbie, appreciate the info very much!
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March 13, 2013 | #12 |
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A -- Alternaria stem canker; an A after a variety name indicates resistance to this
AGG -- 'Aunt Gertie's Gold' AKA -- also known as ARJR -- 'Andrew Rahart's Jumbo Red' ARGG - 'Aunt Ruby's German Green' ASAP -- as soon as possible bagged - seed from flowers that were bagged to prevent accidental hybridization b/c -- because belly button - an inward depression on the blossom end of a tomato BB --- 'Bloody Butcher', 'BrandyBoy' BBH -- 'Brad's Black Heart' BCW -- 'Box Car Willie' BER -- blossom end rot BFT -- 'Black from Tula' BLT --- RTS (Ruined Tomato Sandwich) Really, it's a bacon-lettuce-tomato sandwich. BP --- 'Black Prince' BT --- Bacillus thuringiensis, a natural pesticide for caterpillars including hornworms BTD -- 'Berkeley Tie Dye' BTW -- by the way BW --- 'Brandywine' BWPS - 'Big White Pink Stripes' (seems to be marketed by the acronym alone) Catfaced - distorted fruit, usually resulting from incomplete pollination of a flower CC --- 'Cherokee Chocolate' CEC -- cation exchange capacity - a measure of a soil's potential fertility ChChoc - 'Cherokee Chocolate' CG --- 'Cherokee Green' ChGreen - 'Cherokee Green' CP --- 'Cherokee Purple' ChPur - 'Cherokee Purple' CMV -- cucumber mosaic virus CRM - concrete reinforcing mesh (same as CRW) CRW - concrete reinforcing wire (same as CRM) CSA - community supported agriculture, also known as "subscription farming." CTV -- Curly Top Virus, also seen as beet leaf curly top virus (BLCTV) DG -- Dave's Garden® - a garden bulletin board and resource website Det - determinate DH --- Dear Husband DTM -- days to maturity; time (with ideal good conditions) from transplant to mature fruit. DIY EB = Do-it-yourself Earthbox®. - home-made self-watering plant containers DW ---Dear Wife DWS -- 'Dancing With Smurfs' EB's -- Earthboxes®, a commercial SWC EF --- 'Earl's Faux' EPA -- Environmental Protection Agency EPB -- 'Eva Purple Ball' F --- Fusarium wilt; an F after a variety name indicates resistance to this F1 -- a hybrid between two separate varieties or lines; the first generation of a newly made hybrid F --- Fusarium wilt; an F after a variety name indicates resistance to this wilt FF -- resistance to races 1 and 2 of Fusarium FFF - resistance to three races of Fusarium Florida weave - a trellising method FWIW - for what it's worth GA --- 'Gregori's Altai' GDC -- 'Golden Dwarf Champion' GE --- genetically engineered GG --- 'Green Giant' GH --- greenhouse GJ --- 'German Johnson' GMG -- 'Grub's Mystery Green' GMO -- genetically-modified organism GRS -- 'German Red Strawberry' GW --- GardenWeb® - a garden bulletin board website GWR -- green when ripe IANAL - I am not a lawyer IIRC - if I recall correctly IMHO - in my humble opinion IMO -- in my opinion IRL -- in real life Indet - indeterminate JBT -- 'Japanese Black Trifele' JF --- 'Jaune Flammee' KB --- 'Kellogg's Breakfast' KBX -- 'Kellogg's Breakfast', potato leaf KHP -- 'Kalman's Hungarian Pink' LC --- 'Lucky Cross' Lucky X - 'Lucky Cross' LL --- 'Little Lucky' LGS -- 'Lime Green Salad' LOL -- laugh(ing) out loud LPB -- 'Large Pink Bulgarian' LYH -- 'Lillian's Yellow Heirloom' MG --- Miracle-Gro ® fertilizer ML --- 'Mortgage Lifter' MP --- 'Marianna's Peace' N --- nematodes; an N after a variety name indicates resistance to this NAR -- 'Neve's Azorean Red' NBD -- 'New Big Dwarf' NCP -- natural cross-pollination NPK -- Nitrogen: Phosphorus: Potassium - the ratios of the three major nutrients in a fertilizer NSP -- natural self-pollination OP -- open-pollinated; a true-breeding variety or line (not an F1 hybrid) OTOH - on the other hand OTV - off the vine; also the name of a tomato publication PL --- potato leaf (not regular leaf) PM --- private message PNW -- Pacific North West of the United States PPM -- part per million - a measurement often seen in soil tests and hydroponic solutions PPP -- 'Pink Ping Pong', or perhaps, rarely, 'Pale Perfect Purple' RKN -- root knot nematode RL --- regular leaf ROFLMAO - rolling on the floor, laughing my a** off S --- Septoria; an S after a variety name indicates resistance to this SAP -- 'Sub-Arctic Plenty' SASE - self-addressed stamped envelope SASBE - self-addressed stamped bubble envelope (to prevent seed damage) SESE - Southern Exposure Seed Exchange SFG -- Square Foot Gardening; a gardening book and method SFT -- 'Silvery Fir Tree' SH --- southern hemisphere SHP -- Sand Hill Preservation seeds SO --- significant other SOW -- 'Stump Of the World' SSE -- Seed Saver's Exchange; a non-profit organization St -- Stemphylium - a fungal grey leaf spot; St after a variety name indicates resistance to this stitching - a long blossom end scar on the bottom of the fruit SWC -- self-watering container T --- indicates resistance to Tobacco Mosaic Virus when seen after a variety name TGRC - Tomato Genetics Research Center at the U. C. Davis TGS(C) - Tomato Grower's Supply Company ®, a seed and supplies website TMV -- Tobacco Mosaic Virus ToMV -- Tomato Mosaic Virus TmRSV - Tomato Ring Spot Virus TSWV - Tomato Spotted Wilt Virus TT --- Totally Tomatoes ®, a seed, supplies, and bulletin board website TT --- Tomato Tone® fertilizer by Espoma TTC --Texas Tomato Cage TV --- Tomatoville®, this website TYLCV - Tomato Yellow Leaf Curl Virus TYVM - thank you very much TYW -- 'Tom's Yellow Wonder' V --- Verticillium wilt; a V after a variety name indicates resistance to this wilt WOW -- Wall O' Water® - a frost-protection device YMMV - your mileage may vary ( meaning, your experience may be different) |
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I read almost all and I thank you for this dictionary. Most interesting for me is b´c. It is beautifull.
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Once a variety no longer has a name attached to it there is absolutely no way of IDing it, with very few exceptions. There are perhaps betgween 15 and 20,000 known named varieties. Take large fruited pink varieties, for example. There are hundreds of them. Take long red paste types, several hundred, take gold/red bicolors, many look the same, but differ with respect to production, taste, etc., and there are several hundreds of them as well. If someone wants to know more about a named variety, that's usually not a problem, with of course some exceptions there as well. So, a great idea but just not workable. Carolyn
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