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My Foot Smells · June 15, 2016

what genetic makeup makes a tomato plant more resistant to rkn? seems like there would be some sort of "magic dust" you could shake in the hole pre-planting or maybe a seasonal degrading netting you could encapsulate the plant lightly dipped with deterrent.

All of this gets kind of confusing......

Worth1 · June 15, 2016

I cant seem to find any real consistency with any of the remedies.
What seems to work for some doesn't others.
Worth

AlittleSalt · June 15, 2016

This is what I am planning to do to battle the root knot nematodes (RKN).

We bought enough plastic sheeting to solarize 20' x 45' of the garden. That is where the failing tomato plants are now - so goodbye tomato plants. I'll do this starting this upcoming weekend.

First, I'll remove the savable tomatoes and then pull the plants and all weeds and burn them outside of the garden. Then I will remove the drip irrigation system. Mulch mow the oak leaves and then till them in. Water the soil and apply the plastic sheeting. It will be there until some time in September.

As the other plants in the rest of the garden are removed, solarization will be added there as well. Most if not all plants will be gone by August 1. That section of the garden doesn't seem to have the nematode problem as much. I wish I had planted the tomatoes there, but hindsight is 20-20.

In October we will plant Elbon cereal rye as a cover crop and green manure. The benefits and procedure are on this site http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/a...kgarden26.html Hopefully we will be able to find the seed nearby.

dmforcier · June 15, 2016

Sounds like a plan.

What weight poly?

AlittleSalt · June 15, 2016

4 mil. I found 10 x 25' at Walmart for $8 each. As long as we don't receive hail, I think it will be okay.

decherdt · June 15, 2016

Justin Seed in Justin might have a bag of Elbon you can put your hands on. http://justinseed.com/index.php?rout...h&search=elbon
I am working through a 5# bag I web ordered from Urban Farmer http://www.ufseeds.com/Elbon-Rye-Seeds.item It has lots of husks and chaff, but it sprouts. Hancock Seed Co. has 50# bags mail order, they might ship a smaller bag if you call 'em. I got Sunn Hemp from Seed Ranch, they also have Elbon in many sizes. Several others out there on the web I have not had dealings with

AlittleSalt · June 15, 2016

We could drive to the one in Justin. It's just under 70 miles away.

I'll check around at the shops here tomorrow. There's a feed store near where our grandchildren live, and we will be taking them home tomorrow. There's also a feed store in Rio Vista that we will be driving through tomorrow as well.

Tracydr · June 15, 2016

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

I just got off the phone with the master gardener. To sum up what he told me is "Too much rain". We talked for a bit. I think he expected me to be someone in town with a few plants. Not someone with over 100 tomato plants

He also reminded me of a feed store that carries all sorts of stuff you won't find at Walmart or Home Depot. I'll check it out tomorrow. They do have some odd things there.

Don't forget to buy a 50lb bag of DE and maybe some seed meal or alfalfa pellets when you go to the feed store!

AlittleSalt · June 16, 2016

I left a couple things out in post #63. We are still thinking about building raised beds in the main garden. It isn't so much for RKN reasons, but more for convenience. Raised beds are easier on your back, easier to weed, and to a point - less mulch is needed because you don't have to mulch between the beds. However, there is the cost factor. #2 - Ten foot 2 x 12s are around $11 a piece - Treated boards the same size are around $18 a piece. And factor in painting them...it can get costly. It is also important to keep amending raised beds because left unattended - the soil can become basically dead - or worse.

Other positive things about a raised bed is if you want to improve the soil - you can. You can set the acidity perfect for growing whatever you want to grow. Potatoes in one raised bed with a 5.7 PH acidity, and yet the bed beside it can be 7.3 PH alkaline for growing Artichoke.

Also, I want to look into unsulfured molasses and cornmeal. Both are talked about as possible gardening helpers, but both sound like a bug magnets to me. I haven't researched those two yet - just read a little about them.

Tracydr · June 16, 2016

If you can get dried molasses at the feed store it's a great additive and helps prevent ants for some reason.

AlittleSalt · June 16, 2016

I just found Elbon cereal rye for $2 a pound. It's located 2 city blocks from our local courthouse. I'll be buying some later today.

Did you know that Elbon is Noble spelled backwards? http://www.noble.org/ag/announcements/history/

Worth1 · June 16, 2016

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

I just found Elbon cereal rye for $2 a pound. It's located 2 city blocks from our local courthouse. I'll be buying some later today.

Did you know that Elbon is Noble spelled backwards? http://www.noble.org/ag/announcements/history/

Well if you are going to grow cereal rye you might as well harvest it too.
Once you get this done give me a holler and I will lead you through the steps to make hooch.

Worth

AlittleSalt · June 16, 2016

You know, I foresaw this coming

You can also use it for making bread https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cereal+rye+bread

Worth1 · June 16, 2016

I want to grow hard red wheat but it isn't the kind that grows well here I read.
Worth

AlittleSalt · June 16, 2016

Worth, I have an idea of where to plant some Elbon to actually harvest. I'll give it more thought.

I need to do some stuff out in the garden. Then I'll research the hard red wheat.

June 15, 2016	#66
decherdt Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 329	Justin Seed in Justin might have a bag of Elbon you can put your hands on. http://justinseed.com/index.php?rout...h&search=elbon I am working through a 5# bag I web ordered from Urban Farmer http://www.ufseeds.com/Elbon-Rye-Seeds.item It has lots of husks and chaff, but it sprouts. Hancock Seed Co. has 50# bags mail order, they might ship a smaller bag if you call 'em. I got Sunn Hemp from Seed Ranch, they also have Elbon in many sizes. Several others out there on the web I have not had dealings with __________________ 500 sq ft of raised rows zone 8a

June 15, 2016	#61
My Foot Smells Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Pulaski County, Arkansas Posts: 1,239	what genetic makeup makes a tomato plant more resistant to rkn? seems like there would be some sort of "magic dust" you could shake in the hole pre-planting or maybe a seasonal degrading netting you could encapsulate the plant lightly dipped with deterrent. All of this gets kind of confusing......

June 15, 2016	#62
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	I cant seem to find any real consistency with any of the remedies. What seems to work for some doesn't others. Worth

June 15, 2016	#63
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	This is what I am planning to do to battle the root knot nematodes (RKN). We bought enough plastic sheeting to solarize 20' x 45' of the garden. That is where the failing tomato plants are now - so goodbye tomato plants. I'll do this starting this upcoming weekend. First, I'll remove the savable tomatoes and then pull the plants and all weeds and burn them outside of the garden. Then I will remove the drip irrigation system. Mulch mow the oak leaves and then till them in. Water the soil and apply the plastic sheeting. It will be there until some time in September. As the other plants in the rest of the garden are removed, solarization will be added there as well. Most if not all plants will be gone by August 1. That section of the garden doesn't seem to have the nematode problem as much. I wish I had planted the tomatoes there, but hindsight is 20-20. In October we will plant Elbon cereal rye as a cover crop and green manure. The benefits and procedure are on this site http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/a...kgarden26.html Hopefully we will be able to find the seed nearby.

June 15, 2016	#64
dmforcier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,825	Sounds like a plan. What weight poly?

June 16, 2016	#69
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	I left a couple things out in post #63. We are still thinking about building raised beds in the main garden. It isn't so much for RKN reasons, but more for convenience. Raised beds are easier on your back, easier to weed, and to a point - less mulch is needed because you don't have to mulch between the beds. However, there is the cost factor. #2 - Ten foot 2 x 12s are around $11 a piece - Treated boards the same size are around $18 a piece. And factor in painting them...it can get costly. It is also important to keep amending raised beds because left unattended - the soil can become basically dead - or worse. Other positive things about a raised bed is if you want to improve the soil - you can. You can set the acidity perfect for growing whatever you want to grow. Potatoes in one raised bed with a 5.7 PH acidity, and yet the bed beside it can be 7.3 PH alkaline for growing Artichoke. Also, I want to look into unsulfured molasses and cornmeal. Both are talked about as possible gardening helpers, but both sound like a bug magnets to me. I haven't researched those two yet - just read a little about them.

June 16, 2016	#70
Tracydr Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Laurinburg, North Carolina, zone 7 Posts: 3,207	If you can get dried molasses at the feed store it's a great additive and helps prevent ants for some reason.

June 16, 2016	#73
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	You know, I foresaw this coming You can also use it for making bread https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cereal+rye+bread