September 7, 2014 | #76 |
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I've seen some hearts posted here that look like they would pass the dryness/meatiness test. Since pink and red are determined by skin color and the skin gets removed when processing it shouldn't make any difference if its a pink tomato. Great idea for a project! I'm still looking for my sauce/paste/drying tomato and I have most of the same requirements. |
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I do believe that DNA testing will get less expensive with time and we will be able to utilize more for things like plant breeding. |
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December 21, 2014 | #80 |
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How would you rate San Marzano Redorta? Moisture content flavor etc for sauce? I like it but my seedlings don't do well that wisp foliage in the wind. Almost seems like they get wind burn or dry out? I look forward to Trying Brokenbars Costoluto Genovese this year.
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December 21, 2014 | #81 |
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My work takes me to Davis,CA pretty regularly. There is a high density of processing tomato production in Yolo/Solano County, and I am amazed at the high yield potential and phenomenal plant health of these commercial fields generally. This fall I picked up a tomato off the roadway - unknown processing variety, roadkill from a truck hauling to the canner. It had crimson, very dense flesh and surprisingly good taste. I'm also assuming resistance to TSWV, F1,2,3 and Vw. Crosses to be made to "Old Davis Rd. #2" F2 plants next summer.
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July 21, 2015 | #82 |
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Paste Breeding "The F1s"
Here are the F1s I have waiting to mature (remember I'm the evil person whose breeding for high beta-carotene ("Orange") paste tomatoes):
97L97 X Heidi: 97L97_X_Heidi.jpg 97L97 X Opalka: 97L97_X_Opalka.jpg My really only 'double planting this year': 97L97 X Opalka: 97L97_X_Opalka2.jpg Heidi X Unknown (I know this was a tomato I crossed because it had cut sepals, but the label came off and was lost in a storm) Given the a shape I think it's either Heidi X Jaune Flamee OR Heidi X Tasti-Lee(F4): Heidi_X_Unknown.jpg Jaune Flamee X Heidi: JauneFlamee_X_Heidi.jpg Jaune Flamee X Opalka: JauneFlamee_X_Opalka.jpg Opalka X Jaune Flamee: Opalka_X_JauneFlamee.jpg Jaune Flamee X Shannon: JauneFlamme_X_Shannon.jpg |
July 22, 2015 | #83 | |
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I'm growing Roma-type tomatoes this year. They are potato leaved, and the leaves look deformed to me. Perhaps I aughta take photos to share. If it's diseased I might as well cull it sooner rather than later. |
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July 22, 2015 | #84 |
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Looking good Crmauch, very interested in seeing final results.
Woz [QUOTE=crmauch;491452]Here are the F1s I have waiting to mature (remember I'm the evil person whose breeding for high beta-carotene ("Orange") paste tomatoes): |
July 30, 2015 | #85 |
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what is the gene that causes the deep ribbing in the costoluto Genovese and are they always flattened fruit?
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July 30, 2015 | #86 | |
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3091046/ It says CG has FAS and LC, which I guess is what makes it flat and many-loculed. As regards the ribbing or ruffling, there's a more recent publication about six genes involved in shape - the two additional ones are also size related, CNR and SlKLUH, which affect shape by increasing the size of different parts of the fruit: CNR enlarges the placenta and columella, while SlKLUH primarily increases septum and pericarp (see Figure 1). But neither of these would explain the bulging caused by locules placed up in the ruffles of CG iirc, it might be FAS or FAS plus a modifier, affecting boundary information... Seems like this is something that hasn't been well defined. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034497/ The flat ribbed shape is fairly archaic, I mean it is found in some old heirlooms from various parts (Turkey - PI 120256), Purple Calabash etc. Besides the (complicated? unknown?) genetic modifiers of shape, I wonder what causes a fruit to be a good 'paste' regardless of shape. CNR and SlKLUH make tomatoes meatier for sure, but there seems to be something more than meatiness, maybe fruit density that affects how they cook down (or is it biochemical, like pectin content or something of the kind?) |
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July 31, 2015 | #87 |
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I thought it would cool to have a heart tomato with ribbing or ruffling but can't find if it is even possible. every ribbed tomato I have found has flatten fruit and no juice. I have a genuwine which is a costoluto genovise x brandywine and it too is flattened and ruffled. A ruffled heart as a paste tomato would be cool.
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September 9, 2015 | #88 |
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Paste Breeding "The F1s" - Color Me Confused
Here are some of the resulting tomatoes and maybe out there someone can resolve my confusion:
From my reading, Hi Beta crossed with a red tomato should have given me orange-red and that's what I got crossing w/ Jaune Flammee (when you read about JF it is quite high in Beta carotene and still pretty high in lycopene). I crossing with 97L97, I expected the same. I didn't get that. All the plants from those crosses came out orange (in fact very close to my final goal for the OP in the F1). I'm sure the cross was successful because the plants are indeterminate (97L97 is determinate, and the fruits were more pointed than 97L97 (which is oval)). As I stated crosses between Jaune Flammee and pastes came out pretty much as suspected. Their shapes are between the pastes and the oblate JF, and though the pictures look red, they are an orange-red. Athough the somewhat thick fleshed they are "wet" JF X Opalka and Opalka X JF: Exterior: JFxOPOPXJFPict2.jpg Interior: JFXOpOpXJFPict2Inter.jpg JFXOpInter.jpg JF X Shannon and Heidi X Unknown (I'm 90% certain it was JF): Exterior: JFXShanHeidiXUnK.jpg Interior: JFXShanHeidiXUnKInter.jpg JF X Shannon(repeat) and JF X Heidi: Exterior: JFXShanJFXHeidi.jpg Interior: JFXShanJFxHeidiInter.jpg Now for the 97L97 cross (Not showing the 97L97 cross w/ Heidi): It is orange (as noted) and were quite dry and had fairly thick flesh: 97L97 X Opalka: Exterior: 97L97XOpPict2.jpg Interior: 97L97XOpInterPict2.jpg |
September 9, 2015 | #89 |
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You are getting exactly what you should get. Tangerine gene is recessive to lycopene. Beta Carotene is dominant over lycopene with the caveat that lycopene expresses significantly but not to the point of color dominance. Have you grown Caro Red?
BTW, I'd like to put my name on a pack of those Opalka X 97L97 and another of the Opalka X Jaune Flammee seed! They could give a VERY interesting segregation in the F2. Orangepalka anyone? |
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If I'm getting what I should get why the difference between the Jaune Flammee hybrids and the 97L97 hybrids? (or more to the point is what is the difference betwen Jaune Flammee and 97L97?) |
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