DANIEL BURSON 2016

[ddsack]

Why is there so much effort into figuring out who the Ebay seller is? Daniel Burson has been around for a couple of years - plenty of time for seeds to be passed around to those who hover on various Tomato boards seeking the best newly developed tomatoes. I got seeds last year from a nice person in the NE that got her's directly from Carolyn. I received more seeds this year from a different nice person in the NE, not sure where she received her seeds. My point is that quite a few people already have seeds from previous years and could easily have produced enough for some sales. (And no, I don't and will never sell anything on Ebay!)





And Daniel Burson is a very good tomato.

[seaeagle]

Originally Posted by MissS

The eBay seller has "Sold Out" of DB. While the seller is in TN they state that their seed was grown in New Hampshire, if that gives any clue as to who the grower is.

I was trying to do a good deed and pay forward kindness extended to me years ago, by offering seeds of Daniel Burson here at Tomatoville. It is a very good tomato, at least in my opinion and deserves more exposure. I am so glad that so many of you are grateful for the seed offer and I am anxious to hear how the plants do for you.

I doubt that I will ever make another seed offer here on this forum. Something that ought to be fun is turning quite sour for me. I have not made it public, but I have heart failure. I am 57 years old and a virus attacked my heart. My heart function is at 25%. I just had a pacemaker put in to see if it would or could help. The stress that this offer is creating for me and others is totally unnecessary.

Seaeagle, this thread is for those people that are growing Daniel Burson seeds in the year 2016 to report their findings. You are not growing it. Therefore, I see no reason for you to be posting any comments here. Daniel Burson is being put through its paces and observed here this year. You are more than welcome to follow the thread and learn from it just as the rest of us are.

Yes Miss I am out of this thread. I actually thought I was doing Daniel Burson a favor by posting where it could be purchased.Forgive me for not being aware of all the politics involved.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Ted, I fully admit that when I saw TN I thought it was you,since seaeagle had also said that the person was a Tville member and had a Good recommendation at Tville.

To answer your question to me directly,I have no idea who this person from TN is who is also a Tville member.

Carolyn,who has also been wanting to check your listings as well as Ellie's at Heritage,but can 't do it,so will have to either call or PM Steve to see what that's all about.Initially I could since Ellie had put up a variety that was not right,I told her about it and sent her some links about it and she did delete it ASAP. Nothing has changed with respect to my browser so I don 't know why I can't access Steve's site.

And I just remembered that whoever that seller is, the variety Budai Torpe was being offered and that's another reason why I thought it might be you based on your thread in the WANTED FORUM

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=38996

So you figure it out if you want to based on the responses you got for seed offers you accepted from others from TN who are also Tville members.I remember I asked you for your home address so I 'd know where to send the seeds,you PM ed me back with that address,but it never occured to me to recheck it now as to where you were in TN.

As for me and my newly frozen daffs and Lilacs, etc,methinks it's maybe time to switch to a different train of thought in this thread,back to the original request, as in performance of the variety Daniel Burson.

Carolyn

[seaeagle]

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Perhaps Seaeagle, who knows all about this, will enlighten us as to who the seller is.

No idea who the seller is Ted, maybe you should call the FBI.

[ContainerTed]

Originally Posted by cloz

I made a purchase through PayPal from Ebay. PayPal identifies the recipient of the money as [Edited for privacy - M].

Cloz

Cloz, you are right on time.

Now, let's get back to how good this Daniel Burson tomato really is.

[cloz]

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Cloz, you are right on time.

Now, let's get back to how good this Daniel Burson tomato really is.

Good! I will be growing Daniel Burson this year courtesy of MissS!

Cloz

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by ddsack

Why is there so much effort into figuring out who the Ebay seller is? Daniel Burson has been around for a couple of years - plenty of time for seeds to be passed around to those who hover on various Tomato boards seeking the best newly developed tomatoes. I got seeds last year from a nice person in the NE that got her's directly from Carolyn. I received more seeds this year from a different nice person in the NE, not sure where she received her seeds. My point is that quite a few people already have seeds from previous years and could easily have produced enough for some sales. (And no, I don't and will never sell anything on Ebay!)





And Daniel Burson is a very good tomato.

Dee,I never had seeds for DB, just offered it as an experimental in my seed offer back in 2012, seeds from Travis and the feed back thread I put up doesn't say anything about me ever growing it,just an offer to others for seed from the experimental section of that seed offer and that b/c Travis was not sure of the stability back then..

I never had stable seeds of DB until a few weeks ago when Travis sent me those seeds,along with several others.

Just trying to clarify since you mentioned my name.

Carolyn, noting that from time to time she gets PM's and EM'S sometimes out right public questions,from some asking if she would ever do a second 100 viz her first 100 variety book,and if so which new varieties would she include, and the answer is always a polite no. But,would it be worthwhile if she wrote a book about somewhat controversial varieties, based on either false advertising,pseud-political varieties, wrong historical backgrounds,etc.? She would have great fun with that but don't know if she has enough money to hire a good lawyer to defend her from any lawsuits,but then who would actually BUY such a book?

[ddsack]

Carolyn, occasionally I think there is way too much nit-picking going on around here. So I'll nit-pick back at you this once:

Dee,I never had seeds for DB, just offered it as an experimental in my seed offer back in 2012, seeds from Travis and the feed back thread I put up doesn't say anything about me ever growing it,just an offer to others for seed from the experimental section of that seed offer and that b/c Travis was not sure of the stability back then..

I believe I said my source got them directly from you. I never said or implied that you had grown them. Since you had seeds from Travis to mail out to the participants of the 2012 offer -- in effect seeds came from you via the mail! Whether or not they were totally stable at that time is not relevant. They were named seeds at that time, and they got out in later years (as would be expected) through various personal trades. Travis has apparently now refined the stability, but there is no practical way to recall the descendants of the original offer.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Carolyn, if you will check my profile, you'll see that I live in La Follette, TN, Zipcode 37766. Anyone who has ever received anything from me has seen that Post Office stamp on all my correspondence sent directly from me. The seeds that I sell come from Ellie down in Milton, FL, zipcode 325XX. Erwin Tennessee would be too far to drive just to hide in a P.O. Box.

Dr. C, you are usually more thoroughly prepared than this. You could have simply asked me.

Better prepared?

Ted,I don't think it ever occurred to me to recheck your home address now, to confirm your home address you sent me when I sent you the Budai Torpe seeds.

And yes, I know Ellen and have her em addy and have known her for many years. Actually we share a medical condition that we've talked about.

Until now I've followed this thread and posted as Carolyn,one who is interested in the variety and always will be.

But now I'd like to switch hats to my Global Moderator hat and ask,again,that we get back to the topic of this thread,which is the performance of the variety Daniel Burson.And that before there are more hard feelings, accusations, etc.

Thanks in advance for the cooperation of everyone.

Carolyn, and if I find out if there's a BW from TN here at Tville,I will let Ted know about it.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by ddsack

Carolyn, occasionally I think there is way too much nit-picking going on around here. So I'll nit-pick back at you this once:

I believe I said my source got them directly from you. I never said or implied that you had grown them. Since you had seeds from Travis to mail out to the participants of the 2012 offer -- in effect seeds came from you via the mail! Whether or not they were totally stable at that time is not relevant. They were named seeds at that time, and they got out in later years (as would be expected) through various personal trades. Travis has apparently now refined the stability, but there is no practical way to recall the descendants of the original offer.

Well yes,so true that I packed the seeds for the experimental section as I packed the seeds for everything I offered, but they weren't know as Daniel Burson back then as was pointed out in an earlier post here.

The really good news,for me, is that I no longer will be packing up seeds for the varieties in my seed offers.At almost age 77 it's too much to stay up almost all night responding to em's sent in for my home address, dealing with folks who say they never got the seeds and I kept all envelopes sent to mean so I can tell them that I never got their SASE,or those who said they were sick when the offer was put up,etc., so that's why my job is still to source new seeds,put up the germination thread and in the Fall put up the performance thread.

That I can and will do.

I used to set a cap on the number of folks who wanted to participate that I thought I could handle and then close the offer.It's up to Shawn to determine what he wants to do in the future.

Carolyn

[MissS]

Originally Posted by cloz

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Originally Posted by ContainerTed View Post
Cloz, you are right on time.

Now, let's get back to how good this Daniel Burson tomato really is.
Good! I will be growing Daniel Burson this year courtesy of MissS!

Cloz

Thank you Gentleman! Back on track we go.........

Ted, I trust you and I do know that you are a person with integrity.

[tnpeppers]

I am the guilty party...I got the Daniel Burson seeds in Gary's swap, and was so impressed that I saved seeds and listed them on eBay (along with some others). I do this to feed my 'gardening habit' (Earth Boxes, Smart Pots, seeds from vendors). I thought 99 cents a pack plus free shipping was more than fair. (At some point, I was going to set up a website.) If I have stepped on any toes, I certainly apologize.

[MissS]

Originally Posted by tnpeppers

I am the guilty party...I got the Daniel Burson seeds in Gary's swap, and was so impressed that I saved seeds and listed them on eBay (along with some others). I do this to feed my 'gardening habit' (Earth Boxes, Smart Pots, seeds from vendors). I thought 99 cents a pack plus free shipping was more than fair. (At some point, I was going to set up a website.) If I have stepped on any toes, I certainly apologize.

Thank you for stepping up and identifying yourself as the eBay seller. It sure has relieved the pressure off of someone here. (I think that Ted is owed an apology.) I see nothing wrong with you growing and selling these seeds. They were released in 2012. You got them in a swap labeled as Daniel Burson. You grew them and enjoyed them. There is no patent on them, so there is no harm done.

However, if you are growing them this year as well, would you please be kind enough to participate in this thread and tell us your observations and experience with it this season.

[tnpeppers]

I don't check in on here as much as I should...my wife and I have been involved in a battle with cat-haters here in East Tennessee...we feed cats treats at our local cat colony, and some grump here in town wants them 'dealt with' because ONE of them jumped upon his car and the grump complained to the Town Manager. We (along with other cat friends) went before the Animal Welfare board this A.M., where we were reassured by town officials that NO ONE was going to come around with one of those white 'gassing vans' to exterminate the cats in the dark of night. I AM growing DB again this year...how can you not? You are correct...I didn't see a patent anywhere, so I didn't see any harm in listing them. Anything I make usually goes to other seed vendors, as it stands. If I ever 'step on someone's property' without permission, just let me know, and I will promptly 'git'.

[ContainerTed]

First of all, a huge thanks from me to Patti, and some others who are supporting me right now. I'm still hoping the right thing will be done.

TNPeppers, you have certainly earned my respect, neighbor. And I will be quick to agree that you've certainly done nothing out of sorts. Daniel Burson may be the most talked about tomato of the moment, but we need your help. Seems like this new variety doesn't have a lot of public available data on it. I think that we all are looking for anything that will help us build a history on it. Bill Jeffers only wants to make sure that what we call it is what he had as the target for his breeding efforts.

So, tell us anything you can about its growth habits, color, consistencies, inconsistencies, fruit size, leaf type, and taste, and anything else you may have observed.