Could This Be Sun Gold OP - Page 7

FredB · July 10, 2016

Ted -

My hypothesis would be that your sweet F5 came from an accidental cross between your F4 and an F1 plant. That would explain why the F5 was sweet even though the F4 wasn't. Cherry tomatoes usually have external stigmas and tend to out-cross readily. If my hypothesis is correct, some of your F6 plants will be sweet and some won't be.

Fred

ContainerTed · July 10, 2016

Thanks for your interest, FredB. According to some of the real plant biologists here at Tomatoville, the usual chance for a cross in the average garden is less than 5%. I'll test your hypothesis and post the results here. I have a total of 7 plants spread out among myself and my family members. I'll be getting vine ripe fruit from all of them.

bower · July 10, 2016

What I want to know is, how do you manage to wait until they're really ripe, to taste the first one?

I gotta know because I screw up every year, can't wait to taste the first one

and end up eating unripes!

ContainerTed · July 10, 2016

Bower, I make myself go off and do other things - like eat some Dwarf Arctic Rose tomatoes that are among the earliest in my garden. I also have the very large mature plants that I purchase each year to provide me with the "T" in some BLT's. So, I have lots of things scheduled to keep me busy in the buildup to the Magic Moment.

My military background gives me the discipline to get thru. I keep myself in training almost constantly. In the end, I always succeed simply because of some handcuffs and a straight jacket. It's the hardest thing I do every year.

bower · July 10, 2016

Military training, cuffs, jacket, check!

Makes me wonder if beer would work.

Lots of beer. and Speeches.

jmsieglaff · July 10, 2016

Ted, what's your DTM from transplant on the dwarf Arctic Rose?

ContainerTed · July 11, 2016

Bower, I'm not sure that beer helps, but it does take the edge off the pain. It helps if you mix it with Tomato Juice.

Jim, my usual DTM is about 58 days. I've had it be 54 days and I've also had it be 63 days. But remember that is what I get in my total growing environment (soil, sun, water, nutrients, temperatures, etc, etc). It also is affected by the same things from seed to seedling. Even the origin of the seed and the health of the tomato plant the seed came from may skew the DTM.

DTM is only good for that one plant in that one location during that one year. Even then, it is only an estimate as different plants will give different results.

Early, early-mid, mid, mid-late, and late are what I use.

jmsieglaff · July 11, 2016

I very much get that Ted, thanks! It is probably one of the earliest dwarf project releases as I see many are in th 80-90 day ballpark. So it sounds like it is just a few days behind Sungold F1, is that your experience?

Thanks!
Justin

ContainerTed · July 12, 2016

Thought you'd like to see the latest (this morning) on the comparisons. Here's a picture that should speak volumes.

The Sungolds at the top-center are the hybrid. the ones at the center-left are the OP's. The taste test will happen tonight. I always let the fruit cool down and stabilize. We had a lot of rain last night and some of the fruit I harvested this morning has cracked. Note the large red one at the top right.

heirloomtomaguy · July 12, 2016

Woohoo ripe fruit. You are more patient than me i would have tasted at least 1

NarnianGarden · July 12, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by bower

Military training, cuffs, jacket, check!

Makes me wonder if beer would work.

Lots of beer. and Speeches.

You guys!!

NarnianGarden · July 12, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Bower, I'm not sure that beer helps, but it does take the edge off the pain. It helps if you mix it with Tomato Juice.

Umm.. isn't vodka supposed to be used for a Bloody Mary?

ContainerTed · July 12, 2016

NarnianGarden, around here, we mix good homemade tomato juice with a good beer (your choice) and it is wonderful. We call it a "Red Eye". It is based in our folklore that if you have a really bad hangover from the moonshine we are known to occasionally make, a little "hair off the dog that bit you" can help the pain. In this case the alcohol in the beer is flavored with the tomato juice to help a "shaky" tummy accept the "cure". It is a "lighter" version of a Bloody Mary without all the extras. Does it work?? Who knows. It does comfort the mind and is quite refreshing anytime.

And, besides, using heirloom tomatoes is a whole lot better ALL of the time.

bower · July 12, 2016

Ted the color on the OP's is beautiful, and very nice shape and size too.

looks so good, I... can almost taste it....

And you??? !!!!

NarnianGarden · July 12, 2016

Ted, what's that pale green-yellow one in the upper right hand (looks a bit like a melon or a papaya)?

July 10, 2016	#92
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Thanks for your interest, FredB. According to some of the real plant biologists here at Tomatoville, the usual chance for a cross in the average garden is less than 5%. I'll test your hypothesis and post the results here. I have a total of 7 plants spread out among myself and my family members. I'll be getting vine ripe fruit from all of them. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

July 10, 2016	#94
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Bower, I make myself go off and do other things - like eat some Dwarf Arctic Rose tomatoes that are among the earliest in my garden. I also have the very large mature plants that I purchase each year to provide me with the "T" in some BLT's. So, I have lots of things scheduled to keep me busy in the buildup to the Magic Moment. My military background gives me the discipline to get thru. I keep myself in training almost constantly. In the end, I always succeed simply because of some handcuffs and a straight jacket. It's the hardest thing I do every year. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

July 11, 2016	#97
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Bower, I'm not sure that beer helps, but it does take the edge off the pain. It helps if you mix it with Tomato Juice. Jim, my usual DTM is about 58 days. I've had it be 54 days and I've also had it be 63 days. But remember that is what I get in my total growing environment (soil, sun, water, nutrients, temperatures, etc, etc). It also is affected by the same things from seed to seedling. Even the origin of the seed and the health of the tomato plant the seed came from may skew the DTM. DTM is only good for that one plant in that one location during that one year. Even then, it is only an estimate as different plants will give different results. Early, early-mid, mid, mid-late, and late are what I use. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

July 12, 2016	#100
heirloomtomaguy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: glendora ca Posts: 2,560	Woohoo ripe fruit. You are more patient than me i would have tasted at least 1 __________________ “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

July 12, 2016	#103
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	NarnianGarden, around here, we mix good homemade tomato juice with a good beer (your choice) and it is wonderful. We call it a "Red Eye". It is based in our folklore that if you have a really bad hangover from the moonshine we are known to occasionally make, a little "hair off the dog that bit you" can help the pain. In this case the alcohol in the beer is flavored with the tomato juice to help a "shaky" tummy accept the "cure". It is a "lighter" version of a Bloody Mary without all the extras. Does it work?? Who knows. It does comfort the mind and is quite refreshing anytime. And, besides, using heirloom tomatoes is a whole lot better ALL of the time. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

July 10, 2016	#91
FredB Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 76	Ted - My hypothesis would be that your sweet F5 came from an accidental cross between your F4 and an F1 plant. That would explain why the F5 was sweet even though the F4 wasn't. Cherry tomatoes usually have external stigmas and tend to out-cross readily. If my hypothesis is correct, some of your F6 plants will be sweet and some won't be. Fred

July 10, 2016	#93
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	What I want to know is, how do you manage to wait until they're really ripe, to taste the first one? I gotta know because I screw up every year, can't wait to taste the first one and end up eating unripes!

July 10, 2016	#96
jmsieglaff Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Southern WI Posts: 2,742	Ted, what's your DTM from transplant on the dwarf Arctic Rose?

July 12, 2016	#104
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	Ted the color on the OP's is beautiful, and very nice shape and size too. looks so good, I... can almost taste it.... And you??? !!!!

July 12, 2016	#105
NarnianGarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Finland, EU Posts: 2,550	Ted, what's that pale green-yellow one in the upper right hand (looks a bit like a melon or a papaya)?