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The results of the assay on the Atomic Grow product have returned. As advertised, it is primarily plant extracts -- although not all of them would meet the criteria of "food feeding food" as stated on the label. However, I don't think anyone would object to using the contents on their tomato plants or any other food crop.
I firmly believe this product would be far more successful with a legal Fertilizing Material license from the state of FL that included an analysis of plant nutrients; plus a license from the EPA for the advertised pesticide/fungicide action and a statement of the active ingredients used to achieve it. Mr. Shellenback has indicated he is doing this, and also has been working with the USDA to obtain his NOP certificate. With these in hand, he could go to the "Green Light" agricultural marketing firm and contract production for nationwide sales -- this would earn an enviable royalty. As it stands though, Mr. Shellenback has persisted in advertising his product online and sales are being continued without licensing. This is occurring both through his affiliated website and in the Crowley's nursery store. One of my colleagues from bananas.org tells me that verbal claims are being made in the store with regard to product performance that the product is not licensed for. Four weeks ago I warned Mr. Shellenback that he comply with the state of FL and the EPA before they came to him. It is true that inspectors move on the time scale of weeks, but I imagine his time has about run out. At this point he can add violation of federal interstate commerce regulations to his woes.
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Wow... that was a read. Entertaining, though. I stopped to go through this thread after a similar attempt to hype this product popped up on another forum that I frequent (don't know if it is allowed for me to link the thread). Any updates?
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A little drama in Tomatoville. I dig it!
Some people are just not very smart. If you want to sell snake oil at least try to be slick about. Jim's subsequent responses to defend his position by attacking others is childish and made him look like a fool. He could have walked away with just a slap on the wrist. But now, it looks like Mischka has his head oh so gently pressed against the chopping block. ![]() |
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I read most of the thread last night when I was exhausted. Just shows what an entertaining read it was. The only thing that sticks in my mind is the lawyer's name. RAJ ABH'YANKER'......guess the saying that "water seeks it's own level," is proven once again.
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So, as far as I can tell, this product is just vegetable based soap/surfactant, and sugar from various sources. There's another "miracle" product with even more outlandish claims that seems to be almost identical to this - called Bio Wash. Unfortunately, this product has the endorsement of a well known gardening personality in Dallas who many people trust.
Obviously the surfactant will kill insects - just like castille soap or insecticidal soap. The more contentious issue is: can sugar applied to leaves actually enter the tissue in any significant way? Could this result in frost protection through the antifreeze properties of sugars, or even directly contribute to the carbohydrate stores of the plant? I'm skeptical because I haven't been able to find any evidence that this penetration occurs. And if you really could "feed" plants a significant amount of carbohydrates through their leaves... wouldn't everyone be doing this? Imagine how much cheaper it would be to grow beets for sugar and then feed it to more finicky, high-profit fruiting plants? I do recall that experiments with injecting sugars into the phloem of plants were failures (I don't remember why). Anyway, I suspect that if you want to make decent homemade version of this product, you can just mix together castille soap and molasses. |
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I just read this thread for the first time. I went to this guys website and it's still up. My question is, if he is breaking all these rules, how is he still in business? This thread originated in 2009. We are moving into 2013, barring the Myans laughing last on Dec 21... He is still selling product and very much in "business". As for him logging on to pimp his stuff, its all good, but it's not right to make up testimonials / reviews to mislead people.
my opinion... I'll let mother nature be my growth additive! interesting stuff
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I came across this for some reason while browsing Youtube. Not sure if anyone else saw this guy bad mouthing Tomatoville and Mischka. I find Tomatoville to be very helpful and love reading all the threads from experienced tomato growers.
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It was discussed at length here.
http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=19958&page=27 |
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Mischka One last word of farewell, Dear Master and Mistress. Whenever you visit my grave, say to yourselves with regret but also with happiness in your hearts at the remembrance of my long happy life with you: "Here lies one who loved us and whom we loved." No matter how deep my sleep I shall hear you, and not all the power of death can keep my spirit from wagging a grateful tail. |
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Bodily harm?Seems like he is jumping on the Pinochio Joe bandwagen since he has commented on the You Tube videos regarding Langham Act/Tvilles TM etc.For them it seems they still beleive in the "Bad Pubilicity is Good Publicity"mantra.They should be more concerned with a belief called "Legacy".Because both of them will always be remembered as.......What a underhanded way to get free advertisement and publicity.
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Not the Shellenback character again? Like a bad penny, he keeps turning up in all of the wrong places. There is adequate documentation here and elsewhere of his dishonest business practices, including salting gardening sites with fake reviews of his product.
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I hope if he gets an attorney in the real world (as opposed to his imagination) that he gets with a heavy fee line for all of his caterwauling.
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Haha. Home Depot, big box stores.... I think his marketing probably most resembles Tupperware home parties.
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When I'm down and out reading this thread always cheers me up!
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I have never heard of this product until I read this thread. I am kind of a hard sell when comes to additives and specialized blends etc. Based on some of the people who have used this product it works like a herbicide as well as a growth enhancer depending on the strength of the mix.
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