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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: S.E. Wisconsin Zone 5b
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"Discretion is the better part of valor" Charles Churchill The intuitive mind is a gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. But we have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. (paraphrased) Albert Einstein I come from a long line of sod busters, spanning back several centuries. Last edited by Dutch; October 30, 2015 at 09:07 PM. |
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Merced, CA
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Hi,
It occurred to me recently (esp. during news reports of bad weather in OK) that we haven't heard from Red Baron for a while. I did a search and didn't find any posts from him since about February. Sort of looking forward to year 4 of his project. Anyone heard from him recently? Anne |
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin
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No, and I miss hearing from him too.
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
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I'm always worrying about Scott this time of year - tornadoes on the news and seems to be every spring in Oklahoma.
Scott, if you're out there without a computer, I hope a new one is finding it's way to you and getting there soon. |
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Wyoming
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Most of us have had times when 'real life' keeps us too busy to even hop by T'ville . . . sometimes for months . . . hopefully he's just productively busy but was wondering if anyone had heard if he's OK. |
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin
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I have been wondering about him too, but it is normal for him to post only in the winter months.
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Wyoming
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Wichita Falls, Texas
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Now that Scott is posting again, he could update on last year and what he hopes for this year- I've been reading along with interest. Does anyone know if he got the grant?
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Oklahoma
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Sorry guys no I didn't get any grants and I did have computer problems which have been solved and my father died
![]() ![]() So I will just keep on keeping on until I find my angel. Click here to support Sustainable Ag Research by Scott Strough Right now I am asking no more than 10 dollars and only if you honestly feel you learned 10 dollars worth of information from the "free" project so far. 10 dollars is pretty cheap for free! haha ![]()
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Scott AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture Last edited by Redbaron; October 28, 2017 at 09:21 AM. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Den of Drunken Fools
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Scott always look forward to you progress lack of progress or anything about your project.
I am re reading Jared Diamond's book Collapse again for I dont know how many times. This book has so much to do with your ideas in many ways that I highly recommend it to you or anyone else that may find it of interest. It isn't so much as on how to fix things as it is on whether we decide to fix things or not and the results. I always hear people say we have been doing so and so for years. Well we haven't been doing it for years compared to older societies. Modern industrial grade farming hasn't even been around for 100 years. Not even close to what some of these other people did and finally failed. I think your idea is doable on a large scale but not with the mindset of society we have now. Not with the general public or the huge corporations running most of the farms these days in one way or another. They are treating our farmland like mines with nonrenewable resources and not like they should be a renewable resource. In my way of thinking if we run out of oil which is mined our society will change it wont collapse. If we make the right choices starting now. If we run out of food which should be coming from a renewable resource but treated like a mine we will collapse. Oil hasn't been around in heavy demand for even 100 years, at this time regardless of what we want to think it is a luxury. A luxury in many ways that has allowed our population to explode to a point it cant sustain itself without it. Right now I compare society our soil, food, water and oil to a bunch of drunken people with a giant keg of beer sucking it down not even thinking about running out till there is nothing left but foam. Guys we almost out of beer and the store is about to close. What are we going to do? Worth |
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
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Scott, so sorry to hear about your father.
![]() +1 what Worth said, I'm always looking for news from you and updates on your projects whether good, bad or ugly. ![]() I'm really interested in questions of scale, not just how to scale up agricultural projects but also, what is really the optimal scale, and why. Also, I don't yet understand what has been questioned as "not scaleable" for the methods you have described and used in your garden (and which you said were not scaleable in your recent post). Will be catching up on these ideas I hope. ![]() |
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Oklahoma
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What are the interesting gardening experiments that you have done? Was it a success?
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Scott AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture |
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin
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Scott, here is an article that supports much of yours. Grasslands need to be re-established.
Tyson Foods Linked to Largest Toxic Dead Zone in U.S. History By Shana Gallagher https://www.ecowatch.com/tyson-foods...504305201.html
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
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I thought you had a chance to try out those ideas on the second piece of land, though. Seems you are still hung up on the funding, and I'm sorry to hear it. Do you think it may be possible to scale up to an acre or even a half, without the big machines? I'm thinking market garden scale where you would at least be able to earn a living from it. ![]() BTW it was really interesting to read about your first experience with the soil there in Oklahoma, and your no-till heavy mulch approach makes even more sense in that context - it couldn't be more different from the soil situation here. But maybe similar enough to farmland right through the prairies. I am surprised that none of the agencies you approached were willing to help with a scaled up trial. |
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Oklahoma
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Pretty much everything is waiting on me being able to afford to clear the scrub and buy miniature versions of the equipment I need to prove it can be mechanized. The size of the tractor doesn't matter much to any of them. Even a little garden tractor would suffice. Because any farmer could see the demonstration and easily convert his own tractor to do the same thing, only bigger. But they all told me that with the hand planter etc... is fine for proving the biophysical impacts in the soil, but not sufficient to prove it is scale-able as a commercial business. Multiple people all told me this, and at least to the guys here in Oklahoma it appears to them to be radical enough they want to see it done first before they will help. Only two of the experts I contacted really believe in it, the rest are more like "show me". ![]()
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Scott AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture |
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