DANIEL BURSON 2016 - Page 8

**carolyn137** · May 11, 2016

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Originally Posted by MissS

I'm sorry Carolyn but I do not quite understand what you are meaning. Is my request gone entirely and ought I then make a new one. Or has my request been received by Mischka and at some point will be addressed.

Thanks in advance for your clarification!

Like most members here I get sent a copy of any new posts that are in a thread where I have posted,and that's what I meant when I said I'd received a notice of the request you sent to Mischka.

Fact is,when I came back here to post to your post about the request to Mischka your post was still not here,but could that be a browser em problem,I don't know since others have reached me at home as well.

I assume that your request to Mischka went to him directly,that has nothing to do with me.I can't tell you if he received your request,I just Emed him about this to his home as well as several other issues that are troubling to me. I do appreciate his advice as actually others do appreciate my advice about how to handle a dicey issue from time to time.

No,I see no reason to Pm him again,if you already have done so once. As I said, he gets lots of PM's and has much to do about maintaining the site, however I can directly e-mail him as I did,and no, he can't always get back to me ASAP either.

My backup when it's a real emergency situation is to call him at home,but I seldom have I had to do that.

That should clarify the situation for both you and TnPeppers

Carolyn

travis · May 11, 2016

Now that the discussion has returned to its original intent, please let me make a few comments and clarifications ...

First of all, when I initially read the original post, I did not know who Miss S. was, and did not know how in the world Daniel Burson had gotten to the F8 generation, as I had not grown out the generations myself to anything past F5, with most of my seed stock being n two large packets from my best F4 plants.

Then I got a message from Container Ted who informed me that he had received a large quantity of Daniel Burson seeds as a gift from "Patti" and wondered about the possibility of selling some of those seeds thru a joint venture with Heritage Seeds or Bunny Hop Seeds, basically a joint project between two persons with whom I have had a very respectful and cooperative seed sharing relationship in the past.

My initial response to Ted was that I did not know "Patti" well enough to verify the conformation of Patti's F8 (I believe it is) seed lot with the F5 seed lot I had sent to Carolyn for distribution via her 2016 seed share later this summer.

Ted decided, all on his own accord, to test the Daniel Burson seeds he'd gotten from Patti, and not to sell them, rather to sell seeds that he himself grows this summer. That was Ted's decision based upon his own values and morals as a tomato grower and seed distributor, and whether he sells them or distributes them via SASE, etc., is of no concern to me. Ted is free to do as he pleases with those Daniel Burson seeds, and there's no reason I can see now that he shouldn't share them or sell them if he wishes to do so. The Bunny Hop/Heritage project would be a great outlet, in my opinion. But that's up to Ted.

For myself, I have decided not to sell tomato seeds any longer, a decision I made after discovering that I do not need to sell anything or work for pay any longer, as my Social Security and retirement investments are all I need to live a modest and comfortable life.

Additionally, and as I told Ted, I no longer wish to restrict any of the tomato lines I've created (as a hobby, not in a professional capacity anyway), and that anything that may have been released previously, whether with or without restriction, now is liberated seed, so to speak ... anyone is free to do whatever they wish with anything I have distributed over the past 9 years ... EXCEPT ... I must continue to restrict ALL green-when-ripe expressions of anything that was or continues to be labeled "RGN-16" or to have those letters and numbers as part of the appellation affixed to a packet of seeds.

The reason for this single restriction is that several years ago, I received a gift from a previous Tomatoville member of some F2 seeds from a cross made by Dr. Randy Gardner of NC 1-CELBR x Malachite Box, and Dr. Gardner expressed to me, when I inquired a to his wishes, that I not distribute segregations from that particular cross, without a restriction, UNTIL I had used it in subsequent outcrossing of my own, which I now have done, and which now may be out there with other appellations such as RGN-14, KZU, Copperhead Road, Corner Pocket, et al. But the restriction remains on RGN-16 expressions that are green-when-ripe or GWR/bicolor.

Okay, back to Daniel Burson as relates to this thread ...

After messaging back and forth with Container Ted a couple of times, I realized that Miss S is Patti, and although I have not communicated directly with Patti, or don't recall such, I have received seeds that Patti has grown, received them thru another Tomatoville member with whom I have shared crosses we both have made, back and forth for several years, a fellow in Carolina named Timothy, whom I trust completely, and who has helped me immensely in proving the heat tolerance and viability of several tomato lines.

So, this year I got some seeds from Timothy which both he and Patti have worked on, yes, labeled such that I noticed immediately are from the RGN-16 origin. Those seeds from Patti were the first to sprout in my initial seed drops, and are the most advanced, robust, and first to flower. The only other equally advanced transplants I'm holding, until this horribly unsettled Midwestern/Ohio Valley weather subsides, are four WildThyme bicolor F3s that I dropped back and reexamined from a 2011 seed batch.

Seems like Patti's farther north Midwestern garden has contributed some degree of advanced adaptability to early flowering, and hopefully earlier maturity. I'm impressed and thankful to say the least ... thank you Miss S!

So, what about my apprehension with regard to F8 generation Daniel Burson? I think, between Timothy possibly, and another more southern gardening friend in Mississippi, there were two crops per season grown out for a couple years there which resulted in Daniel Burson being advanced two F-generations per year for a time, while I was only able to grow one generation per summer beginning in 2010 with the F1.

(Insert: I still have the 2010 F2 seeds I saved, which came from a Regular Leaf plant with Raspberry Pink, significantly flattened, 12 - 14 ounce per fruit beefsteak type. The single plant I grew came from seeds I had saved from a 2009 Indian Stripe plant gro

Edit: several paragraphs of the original text of this message have disappeared, and I don't intend to try and recreate them.
I'm about done trying to post long detailed messages from my phone, too.
it's very tedious and dissapointing especially when stuff disappears

tnpeppers · May 11, 2016

I sent a request to Mischka and thru the 'Contact Us' window. Name is finally gone, so I'm done here.

travis · May 11, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnpeppers

I sent a request to Mischka and thru the 'Contact Us' window. Name is finally gone, so I'm done here.

Im truly sorry to read this as I was looking forward to viewing photos of plants and tomatoes you grow from the Dan. Burson seeds you obtained from "Gary," especially since I have no idea who Gary is or his source of seeds.

**carolyn137** · May 11, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnpeppers

I sent a request to Mischka and thru the 'Contact Us' window. Name is finally gone, so I'm done here.

I guess I'm confused a bit b/c Patti posted that she had send the request to M

(I have put in a request with Mischka to have post #75 removed. I am sorry that your personal information was release)

And you had used Contact US but it
doesn't really matter since M edited post #75 to delete your real name,which is what you wanted done.

So all is well in that regard.

Carolyn

travis · May 11, 2016

??????? Something's messed up. Sorry.

travis · May 11, 2016

Somebody seems to be screwing with this thread ... editing problems apparently.

**Mischka** · May 11, 2016

I don't read the Contact Us emails anymore, since they're 99% spam from the web now and hundreds arrive daily. It would literally take up my entire day just to sort through them.

Ditto for reading every new post made. The site is on the brink of reaching critical mass and I am faced with having to make some major changes, regardless of whether I like it or not.

The best way to get my attention is to click on the little Report Post icon.

It generates an email sent directly to my personal email, which I do check several times, over the course of 24 hours. It also sends a notification to me here, which pops up on-screen when I first log in.

mrdoitall · May 11, 2016

tnpeppers, I hope you will keep posting on TV... Now that we all know how to report a problem to Mischka. I'm sure this will not happen again. This is one of the best Tomato forum on the internet. It's people like you that make it a great site. I'm growing Daniel Burson this year. I to was looking forward to viewing photos of plants and tomatoes you are growing. Please except the apology and keep posting on the TV forum.

**Mischka** · May 11, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by travis

Somebody seems to be screwing with this thread ... editing problems apparently.

The only edit I've made was the deletion of someone's full name in post #75.

What are you referring to, specifically?

MissS · May 11, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by travis

Im truly sorry to read this as I was looking forward to viewing photos of plants and tomatoes you grow from the Dan. Burson seeds you obtained from "Gary," especially since I have no idea who Gary is or his source of seeds.

I do believe that tnpeppers will still be participating in this thread. Gary is Tormato and runs the Mostly Mystery Mater Mailing every year here at Tville. He like Carolyn is not the source of the seeds but rather just a distributor. He does a great job of it too. As the name of the swap implies, who the seeds are from are a mystery. I sent some into the 2015 MMMM swap. My seeds are not those that tnpepper has grown. He got his seeds just as I did in 2014. Most likely we have gotten them from the same source. Just to be certain, I did purchase one of his seed packs off of eBay so that I can compare his plants next to mine. I was hoping that Carolyn would have had her seed offer open so that I could also compare yours to mine. The seeds that I distributed are F7. This years crop will produce F8.

travis · May 11, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mischka

The only edit I've made was the deletion of someone's full name in post #75.

What are you referring to, specifically?

Must be a problem with my phone. Very frustrating considering how much time it takes to type, proof, and edit tapping it out on a diminutive keyboard.

**Mischka** · May 11, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by travis

Must be a problem with my phone. Very frustrating considering how much time it takes to type, proof, and edit tapping it out on a diminutive keyboard.

This is why I rarely use the Tapatalk app. It doesn't allow any type of admin access, either. Even with the large screen on my iPhone 6s Plus, using the Safari browser to log in and do any work here is a major PITA, too.

...and if I misplace my reading glasses... fuggetaboutit!

Tracydr · May 11, 2016

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Originally Posted by AZGardener

I just wanted to update that my plant is doing very well and I saw the first fruit starting to ripen yesterday. My fruits are on the small side and have a slight ruffling on the top. Maybe if the fruit got bigger, it would have settled into ridges. Potato leafed and it was the first of my 35 ish plants to set fruit. I probably have about 10 fruits on there and all about the same size, some a tad smaller then I would expect. I'm wondering though, this plant is the most western plant in the garden so it gets the afternoon sun more then the rest. That might explain the smaller then normal fruit.

Side note- Its supp to be 104 on Thursday... And yes I would like some cheese with that wine

I'm sorry for you.mreally glad I no longer live there,too.

AZGardener · May 12, 2016

TracyDr! Long time no talk... I do remember us talking about AZ when you lived here and how successful you were at growing. I don't want to change the thread- but just say hi!

May 11, 2016	#107
travis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 2,984	Now that the discussion has returned to its original intent, please let me make a few comments and clarifications ... First of all, when I initially read the original post, I did not know who Miss S. was, and did not know how in the world Daniel Burson had gotten to the F8 generation, as I had not grown out the generations myself to anything past F5, with most of my seed stock being n two large packets from my best F4 plants. Then I got a message from Container Ted who informed me that he had received a large quantity of Daniel Burson seeds as a gift from "Patti" and wondered about the possibility of selling some of those seeds thru a joint venture with Heritage Seeds or Bunny Hop Seeds, basically a joint project between two persons with whom I have had a very respectful and cooperative seed sharing relationship in the past. My initial response to Ted was that I did not know "Patti" well enough to verify the conformation of Patti's F8 (I believe it is) seed lot with the F5 seed lot I had sent to Carolyn for distribution via her 2016 seed share later this summer. Ted decided, all on his own accord, to test the Daniel Burson seeds he'd gotten from Patti, and not to sell them, rather to sell seeds that he himself grows this summer. That was Ted's decision based upon his own values and morals as a tomato grower and seed distributor, and whether he sells them or distributes them via SASE, etc., is of no concern to me. Ted is free to do as he pleases with those Daniel Burson seeds, and there's no reason I can see now that he shouldn't share them or sell them if he wishes to do so. The Bunny Hop/Heritage project would be a great outlet, in my opinion. But that's up to Ted. For myself, I have decided not to sell tomato seeds any longer, a decision I made after discovering that I do not need to sell anything or work for pay any longer, as my Social Security and retirement investments are all I need to live a modest and comfortable life. Additionally, and as I told Ted, I no longer wish to restrict any of the tomato lines I've created (as a hobby, not in a professional capacity anyway), and that anything that may have been released previously, whether with or without restriction, now is liberated seed, so to speak ... anyone is free to do whatever they wish with anything I have distributed over the past 9 years ... EXCEPT ... I must continue to restrict ALL green-when-ripe expressions of anything that was or continues to be labeled "RGN-16" or to have those letters and numbers as part of the appellation affixed to a packet of seeds. The reason for this single restriction is that several years ago, I received a gift from a previous Tomatoville member of some F2 seeds from a cross made by Dr. Randy Gardner of NC 1-CELBR x Malachite Box, and Dr. Gardner expressed to me, when I inquired a to his wishes, that I not distribute segregations from that particular cross, without a restriction, UNTIL I had used it in subsequent outcrossing of my own, which I now have done, and which now may be out there with other appellations such as RGN-14, KZU, Copperhead Road, Corner Pocket, et al. But the restriction remains on RGN-16 expressions that are green-when-ripe or GWR/bicolor. Okay, back to Daniel Burson as relates to this thread ... After messaging back and forth with Container Ted a couple of times, I realized that Miss S is Patti, and although I have not communicated directly with Patti, or don't recall such, I have received seeds that Patti has grown, received them thru another Tomatoville member with whom I have shared crosses we both have made, back and forth for several years, a fellow in Carolina named Timothy, whom I trust completely, and who has helped me immensely in proving the heat tolerance and viability of several tomato lines. So, this year I got some seeds from Timothy which both he and Patti have worked on, yes, labeled such that I noticed immediately are from the RGN-16 origin. Those seeds from Patti were the first to sprout in my initial seed drops, and are the most advanced, robust, and first to flower. The only other equally advanced transplants I'm holding, until this horribly unsettled Midwestern/Ohio Valley weather subsides, are four WildThyme bicolor F3s that I dropped back and reexamined from a 2011 seed batch. Seems like Patti's farther north Midwestern garden has contributed some degree of advanced adaptability to early flowering, and hopefully earlier maturity. I'm impressed and thankful to say the least ... thank you Miss S! So, what about my apprehension with regard to F8 generation Daniel Burson? I think, between Timothy possibly, and another more southern gardening friend in Mississippi, there were two crops per season grown out for a couple years there which resulted in Daniel Burson being advanced two F-generations per year for a time, while I was only able to grow one generation per summer beginning in 2010 with the F1. (Insert: I still have the 2010 F2 seeds I saved, which came from a Regular Leaf plant with Raspberry Pink, significantly flattened, 12 - 14 ounce per fruit beefsteak type. The single plant I grew came from seeds I had saved from a 2009 Indian Stripe plant gro Edit: several paragraphs of the original text of this message have disappeared, and I don't intend to try and recreate them. I'm about done trying to post long detailed messages from my phone, too. it's very tedious and dissapointing especially when stuff disappears Last edited by travis; May 11, 2016 at 04:11 PM.

May 11, 2016	#111
travis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 2,984	??????? Something's messed up. Sorry. Last edited by travis; May 11, 2016 at 04:31 PM.

May 11, 2016	#113
Mischka Tomatoville® Administrator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Bay State Posts: 3,207	I don't read the Contact Us emails anymore, since they're 99% spam from the web now and hundreds arrive daily. It would literally take up my entire day just to sort through them. Ditto for reading every new post made. The site is on the brink of reaching critical mass and I am faced with having to make some major changes, regardless of whether I like it or not. The best way to get my attention is to click on the little Report Post icon. It generates an email sent directly to my personal email, which I do check several times, over the course of 24 hours. It also sends a notification to me here, which pops up on-screen when I first log in. __________________ Mischka One last word of farewell, Dear Master and Mistress. Whenever you visit my grave, say to yourselves with regret but also with happiness in your hearts at the remembrance of my long happy life with you: "Here lies one who loved us and whom we loved." No matter how deep my sleep I shall hear you, and not all the power of death can keep my spirit from wagging a grateful tail.

May 12, 2016	#120
AZGardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Zone 9b Phoenix,AZ Posts: 390	TracyDr! Long time no talk... I do remember us talking about AZ when you lived here and how successful you were at growing. I don't want to change the thread- but just say hi! __________________ Kelly from Phx, AZ Toes and Tomatoes on FB

May 11, 2016	#108
tnpeppers Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Zone 6 Posts: 365	I sent a request to Mischka and thru the 'Contact Us' window. Name is finally gone, so I'm done here.

May 11, 2016	#112
travis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 2,984	Somebody seems to be screwing with this thread ... editing problems apparently.

May 11, 2016	#114
mrdoitall Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Alabama Posts: 185	tnpeppers, I hope you will keep posting on TV... Now that we all know how to report a problem to Mischka. I'm sure this will not happen again. This is one of the best Tomato forum on the internet. It's people like you that make it a great site. I'm growing Daniel Burson this year. I to was looking forward to viewing photos of plants and tomatoes you are growing. Please except the apology and keep posting on the TV forum.