Could This Be Sun Gold OP - Page 9

Scooty · August 26, 2016

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Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Imp, grow them both. There are no disappointments in either. Grow the Sungold and Big Orange Voluneer and also grow the Plan 9 From Outer Space. Those cherry tomatoes have great staying power on the vine, so make sue you wait until they are a beautiful light orange color all over. Plan 9 will show stripes when green and then ripen to a deep yellow with red/pink stripes and some orange tinges. Taste is superb and it will put out a bunch of fruit.

Scooty, if you run out of Sungolds or my Big Orange Volunteer, come by the house and I'll let you pick a few gallons - no charge.

TYVM for the offer! The Sun Gold volunteers are keeping me busy this year along with the dozen or so grafting experiments. So much bleh to taste through to find a decent one OP Sun Gold. It's like this every year. The good thing about your seed is that you've done all that work for others.

ContainerTed · August 26, 2016

Thanks, Scooty. The thing that I'm most proud of is that the one I found is a bit larger than the Hybrid. More of the good flavor in each cherry tomato. And, BTW, I just checked and they are up on the website and available to any who want them. HeritageSeedMarket.com.

Scooty · August 26, 2016

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Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Thanks, Scooty. The thing that I'm most proud of is that the one I found is a bit larger than the Hybrid. More of the good flavor in each cherry tomato. And, BTW, I just checked and they are up on the website and available to any who want them. HeritageSeedMarket.com.

We have something similar but it didn't come from selecting, rather it came from a cross of what was originally Golden Jubilee x with either sun gold or sun sugar or possibly both. If I get a chance next year, I might try to grow yours side by side and compare the diff.

heirloomtomaguy · August 27, 2016

Just bought mine Ted. Now im waiting by the mailbox. Thanks again.

kchd.. · August 27, 2016

Lol, I bought a pack of seeds yesterday right after lunch 0.o

**carolyn137** · August 27, 2016

Just curious but it's been a long time since anyone has rerported volunteers from F1Sun Gold that have red cherries.

The flat truss trait is from S.pimpinellifloium so is bred into almost all flat truss varieties. And occurs naturally in many OP heirloom cherries.

Yes,pimps are red,so how does one end up with a final F1 that is gold/yellow,as in F1 Sun Gold.

Only Tokita knows and they aren't sharing since they have a GOLDmine with the F1

It's also known that the gene for the aroma of the foliage that many say they can smell is linked to the taste of the F1. As far as I know the only person who worked with that was Keith Mueller, an outstanding breeder,who had something he called Sun Lucky, but I don't know what happened to that either.

And then you've got Reinhard Kraft in Germany who still is not satisfied,completely,with his 3 released OP Sungolds.seeds for the F1 in Europe are very expensive so I bought several packs of the F1 and sent them to him.He's still working on the Sun Gold problem, but more recently has been doing lots of work breeding anthos.

Ah, sweet mystery of life I still haven't found you.

Carolyn

Labradors2 · August 27, 2016

Funny you should say that Carolyn because, along with my gold Sungold volunteer, there is also a red one, and I noticed today that it had green, orange and red fruit on the truss so presumably, it goes through all three colours before turning red. It's in a bit of a waste area so I haven't really studied it before today, just wanted to pick anything ripe before devil dog helped herself.....

It tastes good, but not as good as the gold one. I wonder if I should save seeds?
Linda

**carolyn137** · August 27, 2016

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Originally Posted by Labradors2

Funny you should say that Carolyn because, along with my gold Sungold volunteer, there is also a red one, and I noticed today that it had green, orange and red fruit on the truss so presumably, it goes through all three colours before turning red. It's in a bit of a waste area so I haven't really studied it before today, just wanted to pick anything ripe before devil dog helped herself.....

It tastes good, but not as good as the gold one. I wonder if I should save seeds?
Linda

Linda,in the past I've had my share of red fruited Sungold volunteers and they have always ripened up red,no other colors.

The only variety that I know that has different colored fruits on the same plant at the same time is Lutescent,nee HonorBright.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Lutescent

Carolyn

ContainerTed · August 27, 2016

Carolyn, three years ago, I had a plant that was a sungold volunteer and it started out having gold colored fruit. Then at about mid year, it threw some pinkish redish fruit on one stem. This lasted for about three or four weeks and the plant never repeated. I didn't pursue them because everyone was negative about the red fruit from volunteers. Besides, they were true spitters. I really thought it was weird having both the gold and the red color at the same time on the same plant. But I had too many dwarf plants to worry about to pursue something that didn't taste good. I do remember that I saved seed from another plant that year - the one closest to the original spot in the garden.

joseph · August 28, 2016

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Just curious but it's been a long time since anyone has reported volunteers from F1Sun Gold that have red cherries.

I grew around 48 Sungold F2 plants this summer, on purpose. There are red fruits on some plants. I haven't done an exact count, but seems like about 10%.

My nose certainly isn't fine tuned enough to be chasing the aroma of leaves!!!! I'm looking for other traits like exerted stigmas, and frost/cold tolerance.

Bipetual · September 25, 2016

I bought my BOV seeds tonight, and some peardrops as well. Just what I needed, more seeds!

sjamesNorway · January 7, 2017

I ordered Big Orange Volunteer today, and will be planting it beside Sun Gold for comparison.

Steve

jmsieglaff · January 7, 2017

Doh! I forgot about this tomato and want to grow it, but I've already settled on my 2017 grow list. Steve, I look forward to your results and will likely grow BOV in the future!

August 26, 2016	#122
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Thanks, Scooty. The thing that I'm most proud of is that the one I found is a bit larger than the Hybrid. More of the good flavor in each cherry tomato. And, BTW, I just checked and they are up on the website and available to any who want them. HeritageSeedMarket.com. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

August 27, 2016	#124
heirloomtomaguy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: glendora ca Posts: 2,560	Just bought mine Ted. Now im waiting by the mailbox. Thanks again. __________________ “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

August 27, 2016	#126
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Just curious but it's been a long time since anyone has rerported volunteers from F1Sun Gold that have red cherries. The flat truss trait is from S.pimpinellifloium so is bred into almost all flat truss varieties. And occurs naturally in many OP heirloom cherries. Yes,pimps are red,so how does one end up with a final F1 that is gold/yellow,as in F1 Sun Gold. Only Tokita knows and they aren't sharing since they have a GOLDmine with the F1 It's also known that the gene for the aroma of the foliage that many say they can smell is linked to the taste of the F1. As far as I know the only person who worked with that was Keith Mueller, an outstanding breeder,who had something he called Sun Lucky, but I don't know what happened to that either. And then you've got Reinhard Kraft in Germany who still is not satisfied,completely,with his 3 released OP Sungolds.seeds for the F1 in Europe are very expensive so I bought several packs of the F1 and sent them to him.He's still working on the Sun Gold problem, but more recently has been doing lots of work breeding anthos. Ah, sweet mystery of life I still haven't found you. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

August 27, 2016	#129
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Carolyn, three years ago, I had a plant that was a sungold volunteer and it started out having gold colored fruit. Then at about mid year, it threw some pinkish redish fruit on one stem. This lasted for about three or four weeks and the plant never repeated. I didn't pursue them because everyone was negative about the red fruit from volunteers. Besides, they were true spitters. I really thought it was weird having both the gold and the red color at the same time on the same plant. But I had too many dwarf plants to worry about to pursue something that didn't taste good. I do remember that I saved seed from another plant that year - the one closest to the original spot in the garden. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

August 27, 2016	#125
kchd.. Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: MS Posts: 211	Lol, I bought a pack of seeds yesterday right after lunch 0.o

August 27, 2016	#127
Labradors2 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,891	Funny you should say that Carolyn because, along with my gold Sungold volunteer, there is also a red one, and I noticed today that it had green, orange and red fruit on the truss so presumably, it goes through all three colours before turning red. It's in a bit of a waste area so I haven't really studied it before today, just wanted to pick anything ripe before devil dog helped herself..... It tastes good, but not as good as the gold one. I wonder if I should save seeds? Linda

September 25, 2016	#131
Bipetual Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Illinois, zone 5a Posts: 579	I bought my BOV seeds tonight, and some peardrops as well. Just what I needed, more seeds!

January 7, 2017	#132
sjamesNorway Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Norway Posts: 1,049	I ordered Big Orange Volunteer today, and will be planting it beside Sun Gold for comparison. Steve

January 7, 2017	#133
jmsieglaff Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Southern WI Posts: 2,742	Doh! I forgot about this tomato and want to grow it, but I've already settled on my 2017 grow list. Steve, I look forward to your results and will likely grow BOV in the future!