Root Knot Nematodes (RKN) - Page 9

Worth1 · November 3, 2017

Looks like a New Orleans cemetery sort of.
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AlittleSalt · November 3, 2017

Bio and Marsha, I agree with both of you. RKN is easier to fight than I made it out to be in this thread. I pulled plants this year that showed little to no signs of RKN. The methods I used did fight off the RKN for the most part.

What killed and stunted my plants was Fusarium Wilt race 3. I don't see an answer for it trying to grow in ground. However, the way Marsha is growing her plants may work for me too? It takes money, and the money we have has been redirected to raising children again. No matter what life throws at you - do the best you can and improve on it.

ginger2778 · November 3, 2017

Salt you can get a basic Earthbox system for $32.95, or off you buy 3, it's $29.95 each.(you have to MAKE or buy your own potting mix) The box plastic does not degrade in sunlight, or otherwise break down, holds up to my lawn man's weed eater really perfectly. So you only spend it once, and they are getting 30+ years out of them. They are quite cost effective over time. Just buy one to three at a time. Little by little you will get there. That's what I did.
No Fusarium of any race, no nematodes, never.

Bio-Ag-Guy · November 3, 2017

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Originally Posted by ginger2778

Nice looking crop Bio. I just think amending the soil is too much work for the amount of time my plants will stay alive in it. My containers are just easier because I can put a barrier between my pot contents and the nematodes, and with the barrier I can get a 9 month season instead if a 3-4 month one that I would get with them in the ground. Plus the pots have a water reservoir. I don't want nematodes so I physically block them. For me easy peasy.
I am not sure what the attraction of growing in sand is. Soil I have to MAKE good with years of amendments? That's just not for me.

Thanks Marsha!
Call me old school, I like growing food in the ground as opposed to container gardening. However, I did recently build a raised bed on legs, about waist high, for strawberries. So maybe it will take, you never know.

No attraction to growing anything in sand, the point was that is what I started with. Lol.

I have looked at the pics of your earthbox system before, and I am impressed with the production you get. I saw all kinds of wonderful tomatoes and they looked beautiful!

You are definitely right about the length of season, I get about 4 months before the tomato plants start to die off.

But tomatoes aren't the only thing I grow. My entire back yard is being utilized for growing one thing or another. If I couldn't get tomatoes to grow in the ground sufficiently, I would use that space to grow something else. So far, that isn't the case. Last season I made and froze 6 gal. of sauce, ate tomatoes on everything for a couple of months, and supplied friends and neighbors with more than enough.

I call that a successful season!

Bio-Ag-Guy · November 3, 2017

Here's a pic of the raised-raised bed. Obviously not finished.

Rajun Gardener · November 9, 2017

Salt, I was reading about Mustard greens and thought of you when it mentioned Mustards for a cover crop to till on the soil for Nematodes. I don't know if someone already mentioned it but here's the part about cover crops.

Growing Mustard as a Cover Crop

A few weeks ago, one of the last things I did before leaving on vacation was to sow mustard in the beds where I had just harvested spring carrots and early potatoes. Less than a month later the beds are wall-to-wall mustard greens, with hardly a weed in sight. When sown in late summer, mustard grows so vigorously that weeds are smothered into submission.

Rather than eat all those mustard greens, I will chop them up using a sharp lawn edger, and then quickly turn them under using a digging fork. Numerous studies have shown that live mustard plant tissues, both seeds and roots, contain compounds that work as soil biofumigants by killing nematodes and pathogenic fungi. Reaping this benefit requires handling mustard like a green manure, because the beneficial compounds are released within hours after the plants are chopped down. But if you wait two weeks after turning under chopped mustard and then plant lettuce, you can expect a very productive crop with very few weeds.

Potato and vegetable farmers have begun using special mustard varieties as part of their rotation practices to suppress weeds and diseases. The method involves planting selected strains of mustard bred to produce high levels of glucosinolates in spring, and quickly chopping them up and turning them under in summer, when they reach full bloom. Used this way, mustard has a cleansing effect on soils that are carrying heavy pathogen loads. Mustard varieties to try for this purpose include Caliente, IdaGold and Kodiak.

https://www.growveg.com/guides/the-b...owing-mustard/

http://www.mightymustard.com/why-biofumagant

Worth1 · November 9, 2017

Mustard is a super food and plant.
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AlittleSalt · November 9, 2017

We love Mustard Greens, and they grow well here.

Worth1 · November 9, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

We love Mustard Greens, and they grow well here.

To add ZEST to a salad add some raw to it.

Worth

AlittleSalt · November 11, 2017

I really like mustard greens in a salad. We tried turnip green in salads, but I guess that's more of an acquired taste.

bower · November 11, 2017

Salt, I don't think it's common to eat turnip greens in salad. Turnip greens need to be boiled or steamed for 5-10 minutes, then serve with a dollop of mustard. Pairs well with salty meats.

Worth1 · November 11, 2017

Pre simmered and deep fried salted fat back or pork on the side.

Rajun Gardener · November 11, 2017

Cook them down with some smoked neck bones and onions to make a good pot liquor then remove all the meat and serve with a spicy vinegar. YUM!!!

maxjohnson · December 7, 2017

This is one year after I covered with woodchips. One of the plant I bought from a local nursery, been transplanted for a month and a half. I decided to rip it off because it contain septoria or something like that. Otherwise all of the plants in my raised beds have much less diseased leaves than the container ones. The RKN are still there, just less.

If I can get my hand on more free woodchips I will break off all the raised beds borders which will allow more room for walking and I'm able to readjust the trellises to add an extra row.

ginger2778 · December 7, 2017

Max, I think you might be on to something. Do you know what kind of wood?

November 3, 2017	#121
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Looks like a New Orleans cemetery sort of. Worth

November 3, 2017	#122
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Bio and Marsha, I agree with both of you. RKN is easier to fight than I made it out to be in this thread. I pulled plants this year that showed little to no signs of RKN. The methods I used did fight off the RKN for the most part. What killed and stunted my plants was Fusarium Wilt race 3. I don't see an answer for it trying to grow in ground. However, the way Marsha is growing her plants may work for me too? It takes money, and the money we have has been redirected to raising children again. No matter what life throws at you - do the best you can and improve on it.

November 3, 2017	#123
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	Salt you can get a basic Earthbox system for $32.95, or off you buy 3, it's $29.95 each.(you have to MAKE or buy your own potting mix) The box plastic does not degrade in sunlight, or otherwise break down, holds up to my lawn man's weed eater really perfectly. So you only spend it once, and they are getting 30+ years out of them. They are quite cost effective over time. Just buy one to three at a time. Little by little you will get there. That's what I did. No Fusarium of any race, no nematodes, never.

November 9, 2017	#126
Rajun Gardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Tomato Cornhole Posts: 2,550	Salt, I was reading about Mustard greens and thought of you when it mentioned Mustards for a cover crop to till on the soil for Nematodes. I don't know if someone already mentioned it but here's the part about cover crops. Growing Mustard as a Cover Crop A few weeks ago, one of the last things I did before leaving on vacation was to sow mustard in the beds where I had just harvested spring carrots and early potatoes. Less than a month later the beds are wall-to-wall mustard greens, with hardly a weed in sight. When sown in late summer, mustard grows so vigorously that weeds are smothered into submission. Rather than eat all those mustard greens, I will chop them up using a sharp lawn edger, and then quickly turn them under using a digging fork. Numerous studies have shown that live mustard plant tissues, both seeds and roots, contain compounds that work as soil biofumigants by killing nematodes and pathogenic fungi. Reaping this benefit requires handling mustard like a green manure, because the beneficial compounds are released within hours after the plants are chopped down. But if you wait two weeks after turning under chopped mustard and then plant lettuce, you can expect a very productive crop with very few weeds. Potato and vegetable farmers have begun using special mustard varieties as part of their rotation practices to suppress weeds and diseases. The method involves planting selected strains of mustard bred to produce high levels of glucosinolates in spring, and quickly chopping them up and turning them under in summer, when they reach full bloom. Used this way, mustard has a cleansing effect on soils that are carrying heavy pathogen loads. Mustard varieties to try for this purpose include Caliente, IdaGold and Kodiak. https://www.growveg.com/guides/the-b...owing-mustard/ http://www.mightymustard.com/why-biofumagant

November 9, 2017	#127
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Mustard is a super food and plant. Worth

November 9, 2017	#128
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	We love Mustard Greens, and they grow well here.

November 11, 2017	#130
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	I really like mustard greens in a salad. We tried turnip green in salads, but I guess that's more of an acquired taste.

November 11, 2017	#131
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	Salt, I don't think it's common to eat turnip greens in salad. Turnip greens need to be boiled or steamed for 5-10 minutes, then serve with a dollop of mustard. Pairs well with salty meats.

November 11, 2017	#132
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Pre simmered and deep fried salted fat back or pork on the side.

November 11, 2017	#133
Rajun Gardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Tomato Cornhole Posts: 2,550	Cook them down with some smoked neck bones and onions to make a good pot liquor then remove all the meat and serve with a spicy vinegar. YUM!!!

December 7, 2017	#135
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	Max, I think you might be on to something. Do you know what kind of wood?