Homework assignment from Teacher_Mike - Page 9

Teacher_Mike · July 13, 2006

Aww, shucks.

All I have to say is it better just be a pretty darn good yelow cherry...(and to pass Galinas, that's saying something, IMO.)

Wild, to my mind you've acheived semi-super-star-status as seed-starter extraordinaire, where SO many others have failed (in this experiment, at least,) so, as I hope you can tell, our not-so-subtle disappointment has ZERO to do with you and everything to do with our dreams of THE NEXT GREAT TOMATO.

Oh, and Bully - in the horn tooting race - I believe I was the first to agree with you...

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Bully, your analysis astounds. (But actually, I see exactly what you mean.)

bully · July 14, 2006

Ok, Galina's is a Pot. leaf and SunGold is a hybrid.
Yellow pear is a pear.
What other yellow cherries, reg leaf do we like?

then again we don't really know this is yellow, do we?

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Wild, to my mind you've achieved semi-super-star-status as seed-starter extraordinaire,

I agree 100%

WildLife · July 14, 2006

Wow I am urh uh Speachless.
I should keep quiet about the last batch
of seeds that had 2 percent germ.

I got lucky with the "ONE" seed.
Could have been any one of us.

I am proud of the success I had with
all my seeds that period of time.
I had many healthy little plants.

I just wish I knew why at that time I
could do no wrong, and this last time
do no right?

I generally had the ones I "needed" grow
and the ones I could care less about not.
Do ya think they knew that?

I have been fightin serious disease this year
but no bugs.

Side note Green Zebra is goood, and man
does it like to make fruit

No sign of color on the unknow cherries
they are good size though.
Wild "thanks for the smiles" Life

WildLife · July 25, 2006

First ripe cherry,
Looks like sungold.
It was one of those first not quite
full size , not quite fully flavored tom.
It tasted like a cross between
Sweet 100 and sungold.
The full size ones are just showing
color, they have a wee little nipple on
the blossom end, the toms are a
wee bigger than standard cherries.
Just thought I would let ya know.
Wild "it be tomatoes" Life

Teacher_Mike · July 25, 2006

If the flavor really compares to those two, we may have something. Cool!

Bully, help me out here... yellow or gold w/nipple...do I recall hearing of a possible Yellow Reisentraube somewhere, probably back on GW....or am I making that up? I'm not sure I know of any other that fits that description.

May have to ask Carolyn to check out this thread. Can we get a picture when the next bunch ripen, Wild?

Kudos for seeing it through to fruit, AMEN!

bully · July 25, 2006

STOP EATING THEM AND SAVE SEEDS

so I can eat them next year

All seeds must be sent to me as I have just signed a lucrative contract with a G. Isben and will be retailing these Sunsational (tm) tomatoes in lots of 6 for a reasonable duty of $29.99

OK b.s. aside
I don't recall a yellow reisentraube but I will see if I can get some expert opinions on the matter.

bully

**nctomatoman** · July 25, 2006

I never did follow the results on Yellow Reisen. - someone sent me seeds but I didn't get to grow them out yet. Carolyn may have....

as far as yellow fruited regular leaf non hybrid cherries, I am aware of Ester Hess, Madara, Mirabelle, Yellow Cherry, Alyx Little Sun. None of them had a nipple at the blossom end; all are round typically sized cherries. Yellow Cherry is nearly translucent in color; Mirabelle more on the gold side..the others are bright yellow.

Looking forward to more descriptors, pictures, etc!

bully · July 25, 2006

Thank you Craig.

It's been a long fun road guys
(cue sappy music)

It started with Teacher Mike last summer breaking down and out bidding an 8 year old for a lard can stuffed with envelopes and seeds (he had to take their crap all year but not over the summer...this kid was going down).
$1.25 later he had the last laugh

On February 20th I got an email from him asking if I would help...yeah, like I'm gonna turn down a request to grow-out tomatoes and write goofy emails

It was my choice to grow them all or distribute them, I'm glad I chose right.
I still find it incredible that we got only one seed to germinate and that that little fella made it the whole way..Just awesome. Wildlife should feel like a lottery winner, you know, without all the millions but there is no doubt in my mind that she wouldn't trade that little seed for any winning lottery ticket.

I started this thread on March 6th and you all responded immediately.

March 25th

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Hello
I see life!
Curiously I sowed only 3 days ago.
after a 2 day soak, they floated when first
put in water, I didn't stir, dunk, or any tampering.
After 48 hrs they sank of their own accord.
they were plump,dark, and healthy looking.
I see sprout with its head still buried.
I hope it lives!
Wild "whata ya kno" Life

March 25th 4pm to be exact

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yes little "n"
at 7:00 am nothing, at 1:00pm, still nutin
at 4:00 pm whoa!
Wild "crossing finners" Life

May 21st and we got our first flowers

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Plant is healthy. I took 2 cuttings
and am rooting them.
First flower cluster has shown up, 3 flowers on the
Truss? To the more experienced... does this 3 flower
cluster give any hint to the type tomato it is or is not?
I am retarding the growth to get better weather
and a couple backups(rootings). Then will plant them out.
Wild "I hope they are gooood" Life

June 20th and we got our first look of the plant, leaves and buds

June 27th and we had fruit

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UPDATE
I have toms. Out of 5 flowers on the
truss 4 set fruit. They are about 3/8 in diameter.
I have 5 other trusses with 5 buds each.
The plant is 75 feet from my other babies,
I quess I should bag 1 or 2 other trusses for
"PURTY".
It is a healthy bugger. No disease or nuttin.
Wild "its pregnant" Life

July 25th and we had our first ripe tomato, complete with a description of flavor, size and shape.

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First ripe cherry,
Looks like sungold.
It was one of those first not quite
full size , not quite fully flavored tom.
It tasted like a cross between
Sweet 100 and sungold.
The full size ones are just showing
color, they have a wee little nipple on
the blossom end, the toms are a
wee bigger than standard cherries.
Just thought I would let ya know.
Wild "it be tomatoes" Life

We're not done yet:
not till we have all had a ripe Hazel Myers
not till I see it listed in SSE!
not till there are big flame war about it at Gweb
not till some slick corporate wonks change the name and slap it in a glossy catalog
not till....OK that's enough, lets just settle with the 'eveyone has had one' line.

thanks again to everyone who helped or followed this thread.

bully

**carolyn137** · July 26, 2006

I can think of several yellow cherries but the only one I know of that has a wee nipple at the bottom is Yellow Riesentraube.

And yes I've grown it and yes I think I did save seeds but would have to check that so maybe some of you might like to grow it and compare it to what you have.

However, this Yellow Riesentraube is a rather recent discovery and was the result of a somatic mutation of a single fruit from red to yellow.

All else is the same and for those of you who have grown Riesentraube you know that the seedling is small and very stocky but then once transplated out takes off.

Actually some of you may remember that a couple of years ago I was growing Yellow Riesentraube near Verde Claro, a Tom Wagner variety never released, which is a green when ripe cherry that has a clear skin so that the fruits look like frosted grapes and I thought the taste of Verde Claro was absolutely superb.

Anyhoo, the next year a plant popped up outside the main garden area at Steve's place where I was growing about 40 varieties in cages. I got lots of seeds off that one and offered them at GW as a possible cross between Yellow Riesentraube and Verde Claro, but didn't get much feedback from the few who requested those seeds.

So let me think a bit to see if I can come up with any other cherrys, other than Yellow Riesentraube, that do have small nipples at the blossom end.

Tomstrees · July 26, 2006

Wonderlight is a bit larger
than a cherry with a pointe on the end ???!!!
Yellow too ~

~ Tom

bully · July 26, 2006

Thank you Carolyn, I'll give you a shout when we get some pics.

Tom, those wonderlights look just like lemons.

**carolyn137** · July 26, 2006

Tom, those wonderlights look just like lemons.

Which is why when this variety was first brought over from Russia by SSE it was called Plum Lemon.

When Johnny's offered it, the same variety, they called it Wonder Light.

Andrey has commented on the names used, but forgive me Andrey, but I forgot what you said.

jerseyjohn61 · July 26, 2006

Yeah, I think Wonderlight was known as Limmoni
Linai or some such name. Ask Andrey or consult
the listings. Means "Lemons on the vine"....JJ61

Teacher_Mike · July 26, 2006

Thanks, Craig, Carolyn, & Tom for your input here!

(Feeling like a dope...

) Shoulda thought of this sooner...I *assume* since Yellow Reisentraube is only a color change, it maintains the multiflora aspect of the original - if that's so, Wild's description so far does not seem to indicate any multiflora tendencies on our subject variety. I know that the degree of "multiflora-ness" varies in Reisentraube, but *ANY* degree of multiflora-ness is pretty apparent, in my experience.

... and so it looks, still, like we may have something "new." (said with due regard to the wrongness of the word "new" as used here.)

I hear the Brinks truck backing up to the Bully pen as we speak... :wink:

**nctomatoman** · July 27, 2006

My money is definitely on this being something new!

July 25, 2006	#127
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	I never did follow the results on Yellow Reisen. - someone sent me seeds but I didn't get to grow them out yet. Carolyn may have.... as far as yellow fruited regular leaf non hybrid cherries, I am aware of Ester Hess, Madara, Mirabelle, Yellow Cherry, Alyx Little Sun. None of them had a nipple at the blossom end; all are round typically sized cherries. Yellow Cherry is nearly translucent in color; Mirabelle more on the gold side..the others are bright yellow. Looking forward to more descriptors, pictures, etc! __________________ Craig

July 26, 2006	#129
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	I can think of several yellow cherries but the only one I know of that has a wee nipple at the bottom is Yellow Riesentraube. And yes I've grown it and yes I think I did save seeds but would have to check that so maybe some of you might like to grow it and compare it to what you have. However, this Yellow Riesentraube is a rather recent discovery and was the result of a somatic mutation of a single fruit from red to yellow. All else is the same and for those of you who have grown Riesentraube you know that the seedling is small and very stocky but then once transplated out takes off. Actually some of you may remember that a couple of years ago I was growing Yellow Riesentraube near Verde Claro, a Tom Wagner variety never released, which is a green when ripe cherry that has a clear skin so that the fruits look like frosted grapes and I thought the taste of Verde Claro was absolutely superb. Anyhoo, the next year a plant popped up outside the main garden area at Steve's place where I was growing about 40 varieties in cages. I got lots of seeds off that one and offered them at GW as a possible cross between Yellow Riesentraube and Verde Claro, but didn't get much feedback from the few who requested those seeds. So let me think a bit to see if I can come up with any other cherrys, other than Yellow Riesentraube, that do have small nipples at the blossom end. __________________ Carolyn

July 26, 2006	#130
Tomstrees Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Bayshore Posts: 3,848	Wonderlight is a bit larger than a cherry with a pointe on the end ???!!! Yellow too ~ ~ Tom __________________ My green thumb came only as a result of the mistakes I made while learning to see things from the plant's point of view. ~ H. Fred Ale

July 26, 2006	#132
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Tom, those wonderlights look just like lemons. Which is why when this variety was first brought over from Russia by SSE it was called Plum Lemon. When Johnny's offered it, the same variety, they called it Wonder Light. Andrey has commented on the names used, but forgive me Andrey, but I forgot what you said. __________________ Carolyn

July 27, 2006	#135
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	My money is definitely on this being something new! __________________ Craig

July 14, 2006	#123
WildLife Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach, Calif Posts: 144	Wow I am urh uh Speachless. I should keep quiet about the last batch of seeds that had 2 percent germ. I got lucky with the "ONE" seed. Could have been any one of us. I am proud of the success I had with all my seeds that period of time. I had many healthy little plants. I just wish I knew why at that time I could do no wrong, and this last time do no right? I generally had the ones I "needed" grow and the ones I could care less about not. Do ya think they knew that? I have been fightin serious disease this year but no bugs. Side note Green Zebra is goood, and man does it like to make fruit No sign of color on the unknow cherries they are good size though. Wild "thanks for the smiles" Life

July 25, 2006	#124
WildLife Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach, Calif Posts: 144	First ripe cherry, Looks like sungold. It was one of those first not quite full size , not quite fully flavored tom. It tasted like a cross between Sweet 100 and sungold. The full size ones are just showing color, they have a wee little nipple on the blossom end, the toms are a wee bigger than standard cherries. Just thought I would let ya know. Wild "it be tomatoes" Life

July 25, 2006	#125
Teacher_Mike Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central PA Posts: 68	If the flavor really compares to those two, we may have something. Cool! Bully, help me out here... yellow or gold w/nipple...do I recall hearing of a possible Yellow Reisentraube somewhere, probably back on GW....or am I making that up? I'm not sure I know of any other that fits that description. May have to ask Carolyn to check out this thread. Can we get a picture when the next bunch ripen, Wild? Kudos for seeing it through to fruit, AMEN!

July 25, 2006	#126
bully Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: S.E. MI Posts: 794	STOP EATING THEM AND SAVE SEEDS so I can eat them next year All seeds must be sent to me as I have just signed a lucrative contract with a G. Isben and will be retailing these Sunsational (tm) tomatoes in lots of 6 for a reasonable duty of $29.99 OK b.s. aside I don't recall a yellow reisentraube but I will see if I can get some expert opinions on the matter. bully

July 26, 2006	#131
bully Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: S.E. MI Posts: 794	Thank you Carolyn, I'll give you a shout when we get some pics. Tom, those wonderlights look just like lemons.

July 26, 2006	#133
jerseyjohn61 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central New Jersey Z/6 Posts: 554	Yeah, I think Wonderlight was known as Limmoni Linai or some such name. Ask Andrey or consult the listings. Means "Lemons on the vine"....JJ61

July 26, 2006	#134
Teacher_Mike Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central PA Posts: 68	Thanks, Craig, Carolyn, & Tom for your input here! (Feeling like a dope... ) Shoulda thought of this sooner...I assume since Yellow Reisentraube is only a color change, it maintains the multiflora aspect of the original - if that's so, Wild's description so far does not seem to indicate any multiflora tendencies on our subject variety. I know that the degree of "multiflora-ness" varies in Reisentraube, but ANY degree of multiflora-ness is pretty apparent, in my experience. ... and so it looks, still, like we may have something "new." (said with due regard to the wrongness of the word "new" as used here.) I hear the Brinks truck backing up to the Bully pen as we speak... :wink: