Moie moie TPS

Medbury Gardens · February 17, 2013

After 20+ years of growing Moie moie,(can also be spelt Moe moe )with never setting fruit,last years cold summer sent them into a berry growing frenzy but this summer so far its back to normal with no berries because its been quite hot.
So from last summers berries i grew 12 seedlings in June 2012,these TPS plants are now 9 months old and are still flowering and settling berries,there's no sign yet of them dying down,The interesting part of these TPS plants compared to the tuber grown plant is the size,in the photo the TPS row runs across from left to right in the middle.

Medbury Gardens · April 1, 2013

The Moie moie TPS plants are now coming up 10 months old and still flowering,while there's the tuber grown plants in the back ground which are nearly finished for the growing season,so if it wasn't for winter frost could they just keep on growing and how common is it for TPS grown plants to stay actively growing for this long?

**Tom Wagner** · April 1, 2013

Yes, first year seedling potato plants from TPS often live longer than if from tubers. It makes it difficult to estimate days to maturity. Naturally if one pull berries from healthy vines of rather late varieties/clones...the resulting TPS seedlings may be represented by increasingly later maturities.

Since TPS seedlings carry little or no virus unless infected late in the growth cycle....the earlier die back will happen when the tubers replanted carry latent year infections causing rather benign injury but can be seen as much earlier as the years go by....and earliness is enhanced when a potato grows from a tuber anyway....the dynamics of which would take be a while to explain.

One may pick up Virus A or Virus S and the plants may appear symptomless but just enough stress is placed on the vine to cause it to die down quicker.

Tom Wagner

Medbury Gardens · April 1, 2013

This would explain why my Moie moie tuber grown plants have died back sooner when compared to some different strains of Moie moie given to me from Cesarz,his ones still are rather green but not as much as the TPS plants though.
What really amazes me is that one row of TPS have spread laterals out 1.5m each side,i never had plants even half the size from the TPS of yours Tom.

wmontanez · April 1, 2013

Wow ah! Richard those Moie-Moie TPS plants look great. Have any gifted you with TPS berries again?

I also had my TPS grow until the frost killed them and by the way the last plants to die in my garden were some of the Mystery TPS plus Fripapa, Muru and Lumper. They are long and store so well....even the red Mystery just barely pip the eyes after a nice 5 months of storage in the basement. Muru even had shown signs of wanting to wake up.

Medbury Gardens · April 9, 2013

yes Wendy the TPS grown plants have grown berries,i'm bothering with then till next season when all i'll have growing are moie moie's.

Today i dug up the row of TPS,only two plants did any good,the rest had tubers to small to worry about.

So plant one of two grew tubers further out than i mentioned in my last post,i found some 3m from the centre but unlike the other plant it didn't grow a lot at its centre,as it resembles the parent plant this will be the one that will be grown along side the parent plus the three separate clones from Cesarz

This one didnt send out as much in the way of laterals as the other but grew a much larger crop 15kg+,but because its not the colour i'm after in the Moie moie it wont be kept

wmontanez · April 9, 2013

Those 2 look very good, that second potato is interesting color inside and out. Taste wise how they do? The size are nice enough for a 1st year tuber. Interesting that now they are giving you TPS berries the seedlings from Moie-Moie TPS because since Moie-Moie did not give berries for so many years I wonder what made this fertility change.

I'll keep an eye on my Maori spud patch this year looking for berries since they'll be a 2nd year clones plus those I saved from your slips.

Medbury Gardens · April 9, 2013

It was the cold summer we had 2011-12 that made the moie moie set fruit i'm sure,summers like that are rare so thats why it hadn't happened before,the summer of 2012-13 on the other hand has been one of the hottest for 30 + years so the original clone plus Cesarz's never had berries.

The foliage from the darker TPS plant was so heavy i struggled to pick it up,it would have had to have weighted over 40kgs.

Taste was good,but Moie moie are better tasting as a new potato i think.

sdzejachok · April 9, 2013

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wmontanez · January 27, 2016

I got one plant similar to your 2nd moie-moie from tps.... I lost my pictures bummer. Will try to find it

. I got 5 seeds more trying again in 2016

Medbury Gardens · January 27, 2016

Hi Wendy, good to see you are still working with Moie moie, how many tubers did you get from it.

wmontanez · January 28, 2016

I got just few tubers from the 2 plants I grew in 2014 from Moie-Moie TPS you sent me. I gave them to Nathan Pierce to grow again and I believe he saved them. The original Moie Moie I lost it (never emerged/rot in the ground!)
I sent some of that Moie Moie TPS to Canada to Dave he posts at tatermater pro boards as (gardensup) , He grew 2 different from the pictures above. See here flic.kr/s/aHsk7cKj8N

Medbury Gardens · January 28, 2016

They look different to what ive grown from Moie moie TPS. Have you noticed very long stolons, ive had some that have sent out 4 meters long

wmontanez · January 29, 2016

On the 2 plants I grew no. I will ask Dave and Nathan about that

gardensup · January 29, 2016

My experience is the same as Wendy's. The stolons are relatively short and they seem to be pretty much the same length as the other varieties I grow.

February 17, 2013	#1
Medbury Gardens Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Medbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,881	Moie moie TPS After 20+ years of growing Moie moie,(can also be spelt Moe moe )with never setting fruit,last years cold summer sent them into a berry growing frenzy but this summer so far its back to normal with no berries because its been quite hot. So from last summers berries i grew 12 seedlings in June 2012,these TPS plants are now 9 months old and are still flowering and settling berries,there's no sign yet of them dying down,The interesting part of these TPS plants compared to the tuber grown plant is the size,in the photo the TPS row runs across from left to right in the middle. __________________ Richard

April 1, 2013	#4
Medbury Gardens Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Medbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,881	This would explain why my Moie moie tuber grown plants have died back sooner when compared to some different strains of Moie moie given to me from Cesarz,his ones still are rather green but not as much as the TPS plants though. What really amazes me is that one row of TPS have spread laterals out 1.5m each side,i never had plants even half the size from the TPS of yours Tom. __________________ Richard

April 1, 2013	#5
wmontanez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts: 776	Wow ah! Richard those Moie-Moie TPS plants look great. Have any gifted you with TPS berries again? I also had my TPS grow until the frost killed them and by the way the last plants to die in my garden were some of the Mystery TPS plus Fripapa, Muru and Lumper. They are long and store so well....even the red Mystery just barely pip the eyes after a nice 5 months of storage in the basement. Muru even had shown signs of wanting to wake up. __________________ Wendy

April 9, 2013	#6
Medbury Gardens Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Medbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,881	yes Wendy the TPS grown plants have grown berries,i'm bothering with then till next season when all i'll have growing are moie moie's. Today i dug up the row of TPS,only two plants did any good,the rest had tubers to small to worry about. So plant one of two grew tubers further out than i mentioned in my last post,i found some 3m from the centre but unlike the other plant it didn't grow a lot at its centre,as it resembles the parent plant this will be the one that will be grown along side the parent plus the three separate clones from Cesarz This one didnt send out as much in the way of laterals as the other but grew a much larger crop 15kg+,but because its not the colour i'm after in the Moie moie it wont be kept __________________ Richard

April 9, 2013	#7
wmontanez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts: 776	Those 2 look very good, that second potato is interesting color inside and out. Taste wise how they do? The size are nice enough for a 1st year tuber. Interesting that now they are giving you TPS berries the seedlings from Moie-Moie TPS because since Moie-Moie did not give berries for so many years I wonder what made this fertility change. I'll keep an eye on my Maori spud patch this year looking for berries since they'll be a 2nd year clones plus those I saved from your slips. __________________ Wendy

April 1, 2013	#3
Tom Wagner Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 8407 18th Ave West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 Posts: 1,157	Yes, first year seedling potato plants from TPS often live longer than if from tubers. It makes it difficult to estimate days to maturity. Naturally if one pull berries from healthy vines of rather late varieties/clones...the resulting TPS seedlings may be represented by increasingly later maturities. Since TPS seedlings carry little or no virus unless infected late in the growth cycle....the earlier die back will happen when the tubers replanted carry latent year infections causing rather benign injury but can be seen as much earlier as the years go by....and earliness is enhanced when a potato grows from a tuber anyway....the dynamics of which would take be a while to explain. One may pick up Virus A or Virus S and the plants may appear symptomless but just enough stress is placed on the vine to cause it to die down quicker. Tom Wagner

April 9, 2013	#9
sdzejachok Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 98	Please send me #2 if you don't want it. Send me a PM?

January 27, 2016	#10
wmontanez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts: 776	I got one plant similar to your 2nd moie-moie from tps.... I lost my pictures bummer. Will try to find it . I got 5 seeds more trying again in 2016 __________________ Wendy

January 28, 2016	#12
wmontanez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts: 776	I got just few tubers from the 2 plants I grew in 2014 from Moie-Moie TPS you sent me. I gave them to Nathan Pierce to grow again and I believe he saved them. The original Moie Moie I lost it (never emerged/rot in the ground!) I sent some of that Moie Moie TPS to Canada to Dave he posts at tatermater pro boards as (gardensup) , He grew 2 different from the pictures above. See here flic.kr/s/aHsk7cKj8N __________________ Wendy

January 29, 2016	#14
wmontanez Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts: 776	On the 2 plants I grew no. I will ask Dave and Nathan about that __________________ Wendy

January 29, 2016	#15
gardensup Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 8	My experience is the same as Wendy's. The stolons are relatively short and they seem to be pretty much the same length as the other varieties I grow.