scoville scale vs. human scale

Hermitian · March 12, 2014

I've seen several posts in this "Peppers" forum asking how hot is some pepper on a human scale vs. a scoville scale, so perhaps the following will help some readers on their quest to find the ultimate pepper for their tastes.

Humans are usually endowed with 10 fingers and thus we like to measure things on a linear scale of 0 to 10. The scale of chemical reactivity with the human tongue for chili peppers is "Scovilles" which is a non-linear scale from 0 to billions. Here's a chart that equates the two:

For the general reader, it's worth pointing out: on the human scale of 1 the spiciness is about that of a very mild Anahiem-type chili pepper, on the human scale of 5 the spiciness is about that of a Jalapeno, at the human scale of 7.5 you reach a Serrano, and at the human scale of 9 is an orange habanero.

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For engineers and science-minded people, where does all this come from?

We know that the human sense perceptions are logarithmic with respect to phenomena. Several studies of human taste perception have shown that the lower limit of "spiciness" perception is at 100 scovilles and the upper limit is at 400,000 scovilles (i.e., there is no differentiation between 400,000 scovilles and anything above). Using the variable t as the human scale and variable s as the scoville scale we have:
t = m*log(s) + b
1 = m*log(100) + b
10 = m*log(400000) + b
... and from linear equations the rest falls into place.
The lower limit of s0 approx. 39.79 makes total sense since bell peppers are typically rated with scoville << 40.

Zana · March 12, 2014

Going to need to count on your toes for that graph to cover the ghost peppers.

epsilon · March 12, 2014

I was wondering about that whole upper million range. I didn't think that there was a big difference in human perception at the upper limit. Rather how much it affected peripheral systems
IE: habanero burns really bad, bhuts will turn your stomach and Trinidad scorpions might cause swelling.

Hermitian · March 12, 2014

Well, this is where it gets interesting. Scovilles are a raw measure of chemical reaction rate. Humans though have limits on the differences in rates they can detect. Asking a human to tell the difference between 400k scovilles and 500k scovilles with their tongue is like asking them to view an image in the 200 nm range. It just isn't going to happen!

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Hermitian BANNED Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,112	scoville scale vs. human scale I've seen several posts in this "Peppers" forum asking how hot is some pepper on a human scale vs. a scoville scale, so perhaps the following will help some readers on their quest to find the ultimate pepper for their tastes. Humans are usually endowed with 10 fingers and thus we like to measure things on a linear scale of 0 to 10. The scale of chemical reactivity with the human tongue for chili peppers is "Scovilles" which is a non-linear scale from 0 to billions. Here's a chart that equates the two: For the general reader, it's worth pointing out: on the human scale of 1 the spiciness is about that of a very mild Anahiem-type chili pepper, on the human scale of 5 the spiciness is about that of a Jalapeno, at the human scale of 7.5 you reach a Serrano, and at the human scale of 9 is an orange habanero. ----------- For engineers and science-minded people, where does all this come from? We know that the human sense perceptions are logarithmic with respect to phenomena. Several studies of human taste perception have shown that the lower limit of "spiciness" perception is at 100 scovilles and the upper limit is at 400,000 scovilles (i.e., there is no differentiation between 400,000 scovilles and anything above). Using the variable t as the human scale and variable s as the scoville scale we have: t = mlog(s) + b 1 = mlog(100) + b 10 = mlog(400000) + b ... and from linear equations the rest falls into place. The lower limit of s0 approx. 39.79 makes total sense since bell peppers are typically rated with scoville << 40. __________________ Richard _<\|\|>_ Last edited by Hermitian; March 12, 2014 at 01:20 AM. Reason: space*

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Zana Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Southwestern Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,521	Going to need to count on your toes for that graph to cover the ghost peppers. __________________ Zana ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ There is a fine line between genius and crazy. I like to use that line as a jump rope. ~Anonymous (but I totally agree with this! LOL) Forgive and Forget? I'm neither Jesus or nor do I have Alzheimers. ~ Anonymous Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace. -- Dr. Albert Schweitzer

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Hermitian BANNED Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,112	Well, this is where it gets interesting. Scovilles are a raw measure of chemical reaction rate. Humans though have limits on the differences in rates they can detect. Asking a human to tell the difference between 400k scovilles and 500k scovilles with their tongue is like asking them to view an image in the 200 nm range. It just isn't going to happen! __________________ Richard _<\|\|>_

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epsilon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Desert CA Posts: 400	I was wondering about that whole upper million range. I didn't think that there was a big difference in human perception at the upper limit. Rather how much it affected peripheral systems IE: habanero burns really bad, bhuts will turn your stomach and Trinidad scorpions might cause swelling.