AVOID Pepper Joe's AT ALL COSTS!

Keiththibodeaux · September 19, 2011

Advertised as above, or Pennys Tomatoes and Pepper Joe's. I got a few seeds from them, but won't grow till next spring. Does anyone else have experience with them?

http://www.pennystomatoes.com/

http://pepperjoe.com/

**carolyn137** · September 19, 2011

Quote:

Advertised as above, or Pennys Tomatoes and Pepper Joe's. I got a few seeds from them, but won't grow till next spring. Does anyone else have experience with them?

http://www.pennystomatoes.com/

http://www.pepperjoe.com/

No experience whatsoever but I took the time to look over the tomato varieties and speaking just for myself I wouldn't order from her.

There are pictures that have been scanned from other sites that I recognized, one being from the public SSE catalog. That is illegal.

Looking at some pictures I know what they are but she's renamed them and I have absolutely nothing to do with someone who does that just to make something look unique/special.

$3 for 20 seeds for who knows what you're getting when there are so many wonderful seed sites with known varieties and lower prices raises yet another issue for me.

**nctomatoman** · September 19, 2011

Ty's Taxi? Pennsylvania Great White? I find the website quite Amishland-ish in its stretches, if not price gouging (Cherokee Purple - Cherokee Indians grew them for hundreds of years?) Yikes! - lots of misinformation.....where to start? (I guess I already did!)

mysidx · September 19, 2011

I'm going to have to agree, the site looks a little shady to me.

**nctomatoman** · September 19, 2011

Not questioning generosity, or even seed quality. It is integrity - one of the key aspects of heirloom tomato growing is respecting the history and passing it on as accurate. The proliferation of many seed companies has led to competition that seems to push many to stretch the truth, change names or fabricate information. Not good at all.

remy · September 19, 2011

Ok, I went to look and see what might be wrong over there. Her photo of 'The Shooting Star' tomato is a photo of 'Red Star'. I remembered the photo from the Totally Tomato catalog. http://www.totallytomato.com/dp.asp?...ed+Star+Tomato . Renaming tomatoes like Red Star is not a good business practice.
Remy

**nctomatoman** · September 19, 2011

So...could....

Two Timing Willie be Box Car Willie?
Good Old Abe Lincoln is probably Abraham Lincoln
anyone heard of Midnight Star?
Black Forest?
Sunshine Heirloom - is it Sunray?
Ty's Taxi is likely Taxi
Pennsylvania Great White is likely Great White
Penny's Persimmon....is probably Persimmon
could Penny's Striped Green be....Green zebra?
Golden Marzano or Roman Candle - if it is Roman Candle, why Golden Marzano?

The problem is that people who purchase the mis-named or renamed or whatever varieties will, if they save seeds and pass them on, use the new names.

For goodness sake, if you look at the current state of the SSE Yearbook, it is clear that we don't need any more names for tomatoes....what we need is to honor the names that they already have!

Arggggh.......

Tania · September 20, 2011

Cherry Candy = Isis Candy
...

OMG. The site offers a load of misinformation and re-named varieties.

Unbelievable!

fortyonenorth · September 20, 2011

Perhaps Amishland has been renamed as Penny's Tomatoes ?

Raffles · September 20, 2011

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Originally Posted by mysidx

I'm going to have to agree, the site looks a little shady to me.

I'm more inclined to say silly. The site looks like a kid designed it and the over use of her name gets very old very fast.

Other sites rename or misname tomatoes. Some just make a better impression doing it. Gary Ibsen comes to mind.

I've bought many of my seeds from the guy on ebay selling "Russian Black Cherry". I don't sweat the odd names that much because all of the seed I've gotten from him germinated and seemed to be what he said it was as far as I could tell.

Silly is enough to keep me buying from a vendor though. Penny hits me as too much of a gamble to deal with. I'd buy the 20¢ seeds at Wally-World before I'd get anything from her.

I've got a few people on line I buy from and High Mowing is just a short drive away.

lakelady · September 20, 2011

Well, since I already get overwhelmed with the massive variety of heirlooms out there, making new names would just confuse me more lol....I think we have plenty enough thanks.

20 cent seeds? wow...I've never seen anything in my area for less than 1.50 and that was at Wally World. I've purchased from several vendors this year including Tatanias, Tomatofest, Victory and Remy's Sample Seed Shop. I'm quite happy with the selection they've offered and the service too

I just went and looked at the site and it would seem the names look okay now, (in my very limited experience that is) perhaps they realized having some fun with names wasn't really appropriate in this situation.... eg: Box Car Willie is now Box Car Willie

**carolyn137** · September 20, 2011

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Originally Posted by lakelady

Well, since I already get overwhelmed with the massive variety of heirlooms out there, making new names would just confuse me more lol....I think we have plenty enough thanks.

20 cent seeds? wow...I've never seen anything in my area for less than 1.50 and that was at Wally World. I've purchased from several vendors this year including Tatanias, Tomatofest, Victory and Remy's Sample Seed Shop. I'm quite happy with the selection they've offered and the service too

I just went and looked at the site and it would seem the names look okay now, (in my very limited experience that is) perhaps they realized having some fun with names wasn't really appropriate in this situation.... eg: Box Car Willie is now Box Car Willie

Which suggests to me that maybe Penny herself is a Tville member.

I'll go check it out again when I have some free time to see what changes have been made as to names and pictures.

fortyonenorth · September 20, 2011

She may just have a Google alert set up to notify her of any web activity related to the name. I would imagine if she were an active TVille member, she'd be more sensitive to the importance of proper naming, etc.

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Which suggests to me that maybe Penny herself is a Tville member.

mysidx · September 20, 2011

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Originally Posted by Raffles

I'm more inclined to say silly. The site looks like a kid designed it and the over use of her name gets very old very fast.

Funny you say that, I was thinking the same thing. All she needs now is to have a talking tomato named penny for some kid show to come on PBS after Dora the Explorer.

Sun City Linda · September 20, 2011

Actually, I was able to determine that and several better known sites as places to avoid. Tville is a wonderful learning place! My thanks to all who contribute and make it happen. LInda

September 19, 2011	#1
Keiththibodeaux Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 587	AVOID Pepper Joe's AT ALL COSTS! Advertised as above, or Pennys Tomatoes and Pepper Joe's. I got a few seeds from them, but won't grow till next spring. Does anyone else have experience with them? http://www.pennystomatoes.com/ http://pepperjoe.com/

September 19, 2011	#3
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	Ty's Taxi? Pennsylvania Great White? I find the website quite Amishland-ish in its stretches, if not price gouging (Cherokee Purple - Cherokee Indians grew them for hundreds of years?) Yikes! - lots of misinformation.....where to start? (I guess I already did!) __________________ Craig

September 19, 2011	#5
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	Not questioning generosity, or even seed quality. It is integrity - one of the key aspects of heirloom tomato growing is respecting the history and passing it on as accurate. The proliferation of many seed companies has led to competition that seems to push many to stretch the truth, change names or fabricate information. Not good at all. __________________ Craig

September 19, 2011	#6
remy Buffalo-Niagara Tomato TasteFest™ Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Z6 WNY Posts: 2,354	Ok, I went to look and see what might be wrong over there. Her photo of 'The Shooting Star' tomato is a photo of 'Red Star'. I remembered the photo from the Totally Tomato catalog. http://www.totallytomato.com/dp.asp?...ed+Star+Tomato . Renaming tomatoes like Red Star is not a good business practice. Remy __________________ "I wake to sleep and take my waking slow" -Theodore Roethke Yes, we have a great party for WNY/Ontario tomato growers every year on Grand Island! Owner of The Sample Seed Shop

September 19, 2011	#7
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	So...could.... Two Timing Willie be Box Car Willie? Good Old Abe Lincoln is probably Abraham Lincoln anyone heard of Midnight Star? Black Forest? Sunshine Heirloom - is it Sunray? Ty's Taxi is likely Taxi Pennsylvania Great White is likely Great White Penny's Persimmon....is probably Persimmon could Penny's Striped Green be....Green zebra? Golden Marzano or Roman Candle - if it is Roman Candle, why Golden Marzano? The problem is that people who purchase the mis-named or renamed or whatever varieties will, if they save seeds and pass them on, use the new names. For goodness sake, if you look at the current state of the SSE Yearbook, it is clear that we don't need any more names for tomatoes....what we need is to honor the names that they already have! Arggggh....... __________________ Craig

September 19, 2011	#4
mysidx Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Baton Rouge,Louisiana Zone 8b Posts: 340	I'm going to have to agree, the site looks a little shady to me.

September 20, 2011	#8
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Cherry Candy = Isis Candy ... OMG. The site offers a load of misinformation and re-named varieties. Unbelievable! __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase Last edited by Tania; September 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM.

September 20, 2011	#9
fortyonenorth Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 1,150	Perhaps Amishland has been renamed as Penny's Tomatoes ? Last edited by fortyonenorth; September 20, 2011 at 07:22 AM.

September 20, 2011	#11
lakelady Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: northern NJ zone 6b Posts: 1,862	Well, since I already get overwhelmed with the massive variety of heirlooms out there, making new names would just confuse me more lol....I think we have plenty enough thanks. 20 cent seeds? wow...I've never seen anything in my area for less than 1.50 and that was at Wally World. I've purchased from several vendors this year including Tatanias, Tomatofest, Victory and Remy's Sample Seed Shop. I'm quite happy with the selection they've offered and the service too I just went and looked at the site and it would seem the names look okay now, (in my very limited experience that is) perhaps they realized having some fun with names wasn't really appropriate in this situation.... eg: Box Car Willie is now Box Car Willie Last edited by lakelady; September 20, 2011 at 08:27 AM.

September 20, 2011	#15
Sun City Linda Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Inland Posts: 2,705	Actually, I was able to determine that and several better known sites as places to avoid. Tville is a wonderful learning place! My thanks to all who contribute and make it happen. LInda