Breeding for cherries

cdntomato · January 12, 2008

I am looking at available cherry colorations in OPs for several friends who run CSAs and/or farmgate stands as well as selling at farmers markets and to local restaurants. The range of colours is still fairly limited; yes, there's a black and a green and an orange but only one variety of note in each. Really lacking is a good tasting pink. I've not been fond of Pearly Pink Cherry except with regard to its looks and Rose Quartz has been hit and miss as has Dr Carolyn Pink.

So...a breeding project for cherries is looming.

Please forward suggestions for crosses to attempt.

I've already and accidently stumbled onto a tasty orange cross and will try to stablize it now. Tentative names: Andrea's Agony or Andrea's Anguish (it was her first attempt at saving seeds...Provenzano, she thought. Planted her first year Prov. crop no where near any cherries or oranges so cannot figure this crossing out. Ah well)

Eva Purple Ball x?
June Pink x?
Cherokee Purple x?
Black from Tula x?
Green Giant x?
Cherokee Green x?

Thanks,
Jennifer

Raymondo · January 12, 2008

Just thinking out loud:

Galina's Yellow
x Earl of Edgecombe (tasty orange cherry)
x Green Zebra (a striped cherry)

PNW_D · January 13, 2008

Galina
X Little Lucky

PL early prolific bicolour cherry??
with outstanding taste of course

cdntomato · January 13, 2008

Excellent suggestions that will be put into action.
And they've triggered ideas for additional combos.

Ta muchly!!
Jennifer with big grin

patty_b · January 13, 2008

Here's one that I have been wanting to try and just not quite sure how to make the crossing work ......
Galinas x Sweet Thing Grape......to get a good tasting solid yellow grape. Galinas for the PL to tell if the cross took and Yellow color
...Sweet Thing(a red grape) for the taste and grape shape.
Or would it more likely become a red round cherry though??
Here's what I grew last time looking for a good yellow grape.
Ildi
Golden Grape
Golden Sweet F1
Orange Santa F1... I actually kind of like this one! (different tasting)
Yellow Submarine
Mini Orange

Patty

Raymondo · January 13, 2008

Patty, Have a look at http://www.kdcomm.net/~tomato/Tomato/xingtom.html
Use Galina's as the female for the reason you described. You might get what you're looking for in the second, or perhaps third generation. After that, it's a matter stabilisation. Have a go.

**Tom Wagner** · January 15, 2008

A local Farmers' Market grower who has tried several hundred of my varieties two years ago is interested again to try some o my creations. His interest? Cherry tomatoes of all colors with some Late Blight resistance and tolerance to some other pathogens.

I decided to focus on F-2 seed that would segregate for nearly all colors, green, white, red, pink, yellow, orange, striped, black........the whole spectrum.

The F-2 seedling plants will segregate for the Late Blight resistance 3:1. One of four susceptable, 2 of 4 resistant but will segregate further next year, and 1 of 4 having the homozygous resistance.

This grower wants me to start the organic seed in organic growing media right away, in order to transplant tomatoes to the greenhouse soil in March. His stipulation is that the fruits are small round cherries on indeterminate vines and early. No problem.

My hope is to get digital photos of most of the prototypes and show a few here or on my proposed website.

This fella likes to pick mixed colors and sell them as mixed colors. He does that with seed potatoes I provide him for the last two seasons.

Tom Wagner

cdntomato · January 15, 2008

This fella likes to pick mixed colors and sell them as mixed colors. He does that with seed potatoes I provide him for the last two seasons.

Bingo. Same deal here. Thanks, Tom. And you know how interested I am in your breeding work in both maters and potaters, and giving credit to you for it as well. Please, please keep me/us posted on your results and their future availability.

Cheers,
Jennifer

kktwahoo · January 21, 2008

Tom,

Can I try some seed, but I cannot start it inside until end of March, we real winter, remember?

Thanks!

Raymondo · February 1, 2008

Well, the temptation was too great. I had Galina's Yellow growing in the tomato patch this year, well, I do every year, anyway, there she was, just crying out to be mated with some of the tomatoes around her.
Here are the results of the four crosses I attempted:

Galina's Yellow x Burracker's Favorite (at least I hope it's Burracker's Favorite)

Galina's Yellow x Black Krim - the newest and hence smallest

Galina's Yellow x Green Zebra

Galina's Yellow x Grub's Mystery Green

Galina's Yellow is such an easy tomato to work with as the flowers are very easy to emasculate.

Happy times ahead Jennifer!

**Patrina_Pepperina** · February 1, 2008

Cool, thanks for posting the pics Ray! They are lookin' all robust and happy wee babes

The F1s should all be interesting too - any predictions?

cdntomato · February 3, 2008

Thanks heaps, papa Ray. Looking very good. Now we need to figure out naming protocols...

Jennifer

jackdaniel · March 8, 2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdntomato

Thanks heaps, papa Ray. Looking very good. Now we need to figure out naming protocols...

Jennifer

I remember reading a post in the Dwarf project pages about adding your name to the end of the tag, e.g., "Grumpy" variety plus "F2" generation plus "JackDaniel" your name= Grumpy F2 JackDaniel. Not very pretty...

January 12, 2008	#1
cdntomato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 554	Breeding for cherries I am looking at available cherry colorations in OPs for several friends who run CSAs and/or farmgate stands as well as selling at farmers markets and to local restaurants. The range of colours is still fairly limited; yes, there's a black and a green and an orange but only one variety of note in each. Really lacking is a good tasting pink. I've not been fond of Pearly Pink Cherry except with regard to its looks and Rose Quartz has been hit and miss as has Dr Carolyn Pink. So...a breeding project for cherries is looming. Please forward suggestions for crosses to attempt. I've already and accidently stumbled onto a tasty orange cross and will try to stablize it now. Tentative names: Andrea's Agony or Andrea's Anguish (it was her first attempt at saving seeds...Provenzano, she thought. Planted her first year Prov. crop no where near any cherries or oranges so cannot figure this crossing out. Ah well) Eva Purple Ball x? June Pink x? Cherokee Purple x? Black from Tula x? Green Giant x? Cherokee Green x? Thanks, Jennifer __________________ There is no sincerer love than the love of food. -George Bernard Shaw

January 12, 2008	#2
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	Just thinking out loud: Galina's Yellow x Earl of Edgecombe (tasty orange cherry) x Green Zebra (a striped cherry) __________________ Ray

January 13, 2008	#3
PNW_D Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 961	Galina X Little Lucky PL early prolific bicolour cherry?? with outstanding taste of course __________________ D.

January 13, 2008	#4
cdntomato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 554	Excellent suggestions that will be put into action. And they've triggered ideas for additional combos. Ta muchly!! Jennifer with big grin __________________ There is no sincerer love than the love of food. -George Bernard Shaw

January 13, 2008	#6
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	Patty, Have a look at http://www.kdcomm.net/~tomato/Tomato/xingtom.html Use Galina's as the female for the reason you described. You might get what you're looking for in the second, or perhaps third generation. After that, it's a matter stabilisation. Have a go. __________________ Ray

January 13, 2008	#5
patty_b Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 487	Here's one that I have been wanting to try and just not quite sure how to make the crossing work ...... Galinas x Sweet Thing Grape......to get a good tasting solid yellow grape. Galinas for the PL to tell if the cross took and Yellow color ...Sweet Thing(a red grape) for the taste and grape shape. Or would it more likely become a red round cherry though?? Here's what I grew last time looking for a good yellow grape. Ildi Golden Grape Golden Sweet F1 Orange Santa F1... I actually kind of like this one! (different tasting) Yellow Submarine Mini Orange Patty

January 15, 2008	#7
Tom Wagner Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 8407 18th Ave West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 Posts: 1,157	A local Farmers' Market grower who has tried several hundred of my varieties two years ago is interested again to try some o my creations. His interest? Cherry tomatoes of all colors with some Late Blight resistance and tolerance to some other pathogens. I decided to focus on F-2 seed that would segregate for nearly all colors, green, white, red, pink, yellow, orange, striped, black........the whole spectrum. The F-2 seedling plants will segregate for the Late Blight resistance 3:1. One of four susceptable, 2 of 4 resistant but will segregate further next year, and 1 of 4 having the homozygous resistance. This grower wants me to start the organic seed in organic growing media right away, in order to transplant tomatoes to the greenhouse soil in March. His stipulation is that the fruits are small round cherries on indeterminate vines and early. No problem. My hope is to get digital photos of most of the prototypes and show a few here or on my proposed website. This fella likes to pick mixed colors and sell them as mixed colors. He does that with seed potatoes I provide him for the last two seasons. Tom Wagner

January 21, 2008	#9
kktwahoo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Wahoo, Nebraska Posts: 132	Tom, Can I try some seed, but I cannot start it inside until end of March, we real winter, remember? Thanks! __________________ Kent & Kathy, near Wahoo, Nebraska "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." From In Defense of Food, by Michael Pollan

February 1, 2008	#10
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	Well, the temptation was too great. I had Galina's Yellow growing in the tomato patch this year, well, I do every year, anyway, there she was, just crying out to be mated with some of the tomatoes around her. Here are the results of the four crosses I attempted: Galina's Yellow x Burracker's Favorite (at least I hope it's Burracker's Favorite) Galina's Yellow x Black Krim - the newest and hence smallest Galina's Yellow x Green Zebra Galina's Yellow x Grub's Mystery Green Galina's Yellow is such an easy tomato to work with as the flowers are very easy to emasculate. Happy times ahead Jennifer! __________________ Ray Last edited by Raymondo; February 1, 2008 at 05:28 AM.

February 1, 2008	#11
Patrina_Pepperina Cross Hemisphere Dwarf Project™ Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 3,094	Cool, thanks for posting the pics Ray! They are lookin' all robust and happy wee babes The F1s should all be interesting too - any predictions? __________________ Truth is colourful, not just black and white. PP: 2005

February 3, 2008	#12
cdntomato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 554	Thanks heaps, papa Ray. Looking very good. Now we need to figure out naming protocols... Jennifer __________________ There is no sincerer love than the love of food. -George Bernard Shaw