how do you name handed down seeds for or from unknown generations

[dwlcrl]

ok how do i start this one....

i just received a letter in yesterday that reads....

lets see where did it go...


apparently i talked to someone ...

ok i opened it and there is one packet of seeds
and it reads..

mr lemasters

i had met you at the festival in scottdale. i am enclosing
the seeds that we had discussed. these seeds came for a
three pounde oxheart tomato but the tomato resembled a paste
tomato. they were originally brought back from italy sixty
years ago by a gentleman named guildo pietroboni, who has
been deceased now for fifteen years. i aquired the tomato
seeds from a freind of mr pietroboni's son.
good luck wih the seeds. see you at the next festival.
very truly yours

ferp necciai


what or how would you name this seed because the package is blank...

guildo pietroboni's heritage seeds?

wow a long name...
would this be a correct way or renameing a variety that who knows if it has ever been crossed or closely monitored.
which is about true with alot of varieties..
so....


has anyone grew any that closely resembles these?
from italy?
and what do i name them?




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this year i was going to try to do strawberry types of tomatoes if anyone has any of those i dont already have available for trades...

[Suze]

Originally Posted by dwlcrl

i am enclosing the seeds that we had discussed. these seeds came for a three pound oxheart tomato but the tomato resembled a paste tomato. they were originally brought back from italy sixty years ago by a gentleman named guildo pietroboni, who has been deceased now for fifteen years. i aquired the tomato seeds from a freind of mr pietroboni's son.

David - one thing that immediately jumps out at me is that what this person grew out and sent you seeds for did not come true to type, or as expected. Since the original source (Mr. Pietroboni) is deceased, obviously he can't be contacted for further information. But maybe the friend your friend got the seeds from would know more. I would ask.

So, to my mind, this might not even be Mr. Pietroboni's tomato, as he once grew it. A cross, confusion/mixup on saving seeds, any number of things could have happened. I think a little more information is needed before you make a decision. I would ask the person who sent you the seeds to elaborate a little more. They say "a paste", not a 3# oxheart.

I can only tell you what *I* would do. And, that is, if someone sends me seeds for a tomato, and it is not true to type or as expected per their description, I don't share seeds and distribute it as "that tomato" until (or if) I can find out more about it. And from what you've posted, I think whether or not this was what Mr. Pietroboni grew is hard to say.

Now, if it was a great tomato, really special - even if not quite what was expected - I might grow it out for a couple of seasons to try and see if whatever result was obtained is "stable". Then I would go from there, before I sent out/shared any seeds or attempted to decide upon a name.

JMO.

[dwlcrl]

well i guess i should say i only know what the letter says...
i dont remember talking to him but must have been an awesome tomato..
he was an older man that i honestly dont know anything about the tomato other then what my thought were as to wether the seeds were the same or being 60 years old is all i ment... i would personnally have no way of knowing is all i ment... but these are his seeds just dont know what to call them..

since he has passed away 15 years ago.... i just added the heritage seed to it

the mail man delivered this letter and no other conversation took place other then he has my address from the festival..

[Suze]

Originally Posted by dwlcrl

well i guess i should say i only know what the letter says...
i dont remember talking to him but must have been an awesome tomato..
he was an older man that i honestly dont know anything about the tomato other then what my thought were as to wether the seeds were the same or being 60 years old is all i ment... i would personnally have no way of knowing is all i ment... but these are his seeds just dont know what to call them..

Right, but again - what I'm saying is that as I see it, it sounds rather iffy to me (based on the information you've been given so far) that this is true to type for what Mr. Pietroboni actually grew, as it seems not to meet the expected description.

In any case, I would *personally* grow this variety out for a season or two myself and make my own observations before making any further decisions as to the name or before sharing seed.

Maybe you can write back the person who wrote you and find out a little more - good luck.

[dwlcrl]

thank you so much
yeah i am wondering by his way of describeing them and growing them if he even remembers what they were..
if mr ferp necciai ever grew them..
will just have a new hobby this year i guess..loll..

thank you again...
david dwlcrl

[feldon30]

The variety is lost TBH.

[dwlcrl]

stop being so positive... lol

[Suze]

Originally Posted by dwlcrl

stop being so positive... lol

Heh! He does bring up a good point, though. Honestly, it is really hard to say if this is still what Mr. Pietroboni was originally growing based on the info provided.

I will offer that fruit size can be somewhat variable year to year depending upon growing conditions, and I will also note that with especially with some of these "meaty" types, size/shape can be a bit variable year to year, depending upon growing conditions. Would even add that with some of these types, size/shape can be somewhat variable in general even within a growing season.

Back to the original info/claim - three pound oxhearts stated. That is kind of large, although certainly possible given the right var and growing conditions. Again, grow it out yourself (at least a couple or three plants, a couple of growing seasons) and see what the results are. WV/PA area is a great place to grow tomatoes, so your garden should be a good test.

If you end up getting fruits that are mostly under or at one pound (for example), then at that point, I would have to wonder if the info you were given got passed down correctly, or if what you have is off-type or a cross.

[dwlcrl]

60 years of growing them or who knows...
it was more so on trying to figure out what the name was from back then?
surely they labeled them some how or just plain tomatoes?
is there some where to search out old varieties from that far back ... some kind of history search?

[dice]

You might grow it out and compare it side-by-side with
Guido, too:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Guido
(Grunt probably has seeds for Guido still:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B.C_MC_D
It would be funny if Mr. Pietroboni turned out to
be the original source of Guido, which Dan got
seeds of from Europe.)

[amideutch]

I can tell you right now it isn't Guido and I got lurking in the middle of the plant that is least a 2 pounder. Here's a picture taken today. Ami

[amideutch]

Here's the monster I was talking about. Had to cut a section of my cage out so I could extract it. Here's your tomato David. Will cut open and conduct taste test tomorrow. Ami

[tomatoaddict]

Well here's a pic of one I grew from the seed David sent me. That was at least 2 weeks ago. I haven't picked it yet but I think it's going to be very close to 3 lbs. It's much bigger now than when I took this pic.
I just call it Guido Pietroboni.

[amideutch]

Looking good Terry. I have more on the vine fattening up. The name David used was "Guildo Pietroboni". Ami

[stormymater]

Nice lookin' maters there fellers - wonder how it would like hot & humid?