Difference between Black Crim - Noire de Crimee.

Gerd · December 31, 2018

Hoi.

After a good luck inside the tomato world and seen the different explications:

Noire de Crimée = Black Criméa = Black Krim = Nero di Crimea = Crni Krim.

On the database from tatiana i see 2 explications on Ventmarin.free.fr it is all the same and on Tomaten-atlas.de 2 different tomatoes. But the same pictures......

What is the only good .....????

Form me from my test in 2018 is it only 10 names for the same plant.
Germany they hold them on 2 tomato's......

Can somebody help to find the good solution.

Gerd.

**carolyn137** · December 31, 2018

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Originally Posted by Gerd

Hoi.

After a good luck inside the tomato world and seen the different explications:

Noire de Crimée = Black Criméa = Black Krim = Nero di Crimea = Crni Krim.

On the database from tatiana i see 2 explications on Ventmarin.free.fr it is all the same and on Tomaten-atlas.de 2 different tomatoes. But the same pictures......

What is the only good .....????

Form me from my test in 2018 is it only 10 names for the same plant.
Germany they hold them on 2 tomato's......

Can somebody help to find the good solution.

Gerd.

Gerd, many years ago Norbert P. in France contacted 5 of us at Tville and wanted to trade, he had a long list, we chose our varieties by consulting with each other so we didn't duplicate requests.

If it were me I'd go with Noir de Crimee

I explained all of this in my Heirloom tomato book that I was asked to write.

Nero di Crimea = Crni Krim. these I have never heard of.

Lets see what others might have to say.

Carolyn

mcsee · January 1, 2019

I found some seed in my seed tin this season for Black Crimea and thinking I'd be trying something different, I sowed the seed and planted a plant. Later I looked it up online after it went into the ground and was actually disappointed I was growing it, when I saw it was just Black Krim renamed.

It's still a nice tomato, no matter what it gets named. The plant is fruiting and will start and color up soon.

NarnianGarden · January 7, 2019

In my own experiments I found out that I actually preferred Noire de Crimee. Just as Carolyn had mentioned in one of the threads about black tomatoes, the taste was perhaps better, but I was also much impressed by the vigor, tidier fruit and truss size, and the more contained, much more managable (while very vigorous) growth habit.
I would still grow and eat the 'usual' Black Krim, but my recommendation is to try NdeC as well.

stevenkh1 · August 4, 2021

This was a problem back in the late 1800s/early-mid 1900s (as well as in this era of "heirloom varieties" with nomenclature). I'll point to Peter Henderson's Ponderosa variety vs the "heirloom" name of Brandywine Pink. Genetically, it's the same tomato. But an old variety named Henderson's Ponderosa doesn't quite have the same mystique as the renamed Brandywine Pink (and the story that goes with it).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerd

Hoi.

After a good luck inside the tomato world and seen the different explications:

Noire de Crimée = Black Criméa = Black Krim = Nero di Crimea = Crni Krim.

On the database from tatiana i see 2 explications on Ventmarin.free.fr it is all the same and on Tomaten-atlas.de 2 different tomatoes. But the same pictures......

What is the only good .....????

Form me from my test in 2018 is it only 10 names for the same plant.
Germany they hold them on 2 tomato's......

Can somebody help to find the good solution.

Gerd.

December 31, 2018	#1
Gerd Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: WINGENE Belgium Posts: 33	Difference between Black Crim - Noire de Crimee. Hoi. After a good luck inside the tomato world and seen the different explications: Noire de Crimée = Black Criméa = Black Krim = Nero di Crimea = Crni Krim. On the database from tatiana i see 2 explications on Ventmarin.free.fr it is all the same and on Tomaten-atlas.de 2 different tomatoes. But the same pictures...... What is the only good .....???? Form me from my test in 2018 is it only 10 names for the same plant. Germany they hold them on 2 tomato's...... Can somebody help to find the good solution. Gerd.

January 1, 2019	#3
mcsee Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Victoria. Australia Posts: 543	I found some seed in my seed tin this season for Black Crimea and thinking I'd be trying something different, I sowed the seed and planted a plant. Later I looked it up online after it went into the ground and was actually disappointed I was growing it, when I saw it was just Black Krim renamed. It's still a nice tomato, no matter what it gets named. The plant is fruiting and will start and color up soon.

January 7, 2019	#4
NarnianGarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Finland, EU Posts: 2,550	In my own experiments I found out that I actually preferred Noire de Crimee. Just as Carolyn had mentioned in one of the threads about black tomatoes, the taste was perhaps better, but I was also much impressed by the vigor, tidier fruit and truss size, and the more contained, much more managable (while very vigorous) growth habit. I would still grow and eat the 'usual' Black Krim, but my recommendation is to try NdeC as well.