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August 24, 2013
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Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator
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STRIPED tomato varieties bred by:(Tom Wagner)
I am posting this as a STICKY since I have moderator duties and the topic is important to me and maybe to new, future, and entrenched readers on this forum.
Nearly 50 years of tomato breeding work with the supposed gs gene (Green Stripe) has brought forth countless numbers of beautifully striped tomato varieties. The starter gene came presented itself to from a partially expressed tomato clone found in a increase plot of the Ames, Iowa tomato collection....before it moved to the Geneva, NY location. Was it a mutation? Was it related to the much older variety Tigerella? I gave up using Tigerella thirty years ago since it was, frankly, inferior. I noticed very early that my selection of the so-called gs gene was undergoing some radical phenotypic expression. The early varieties out of breeding work with the striped gene....Green Zebra, Elberta Girl, Banana Legs (Banana Fingers) Schimmeig Stoo, Schimmeig Creg, Green Nails, Brown Derby(striped version) Green Bell Pepper, and a few others started quite a "diaspora" especially with my issuance of my TATER MATER SEED catalogs starting with the 1983 premiere. I kept breeding more and more striped tomatoes since 1983 and there is no way I can count all of them. Quite humbly, I can't explain the genetics of the gs gene. I am more of an artist than a geneticist! I save seed from what I like, and cannot profess to know everything that shows up in the progenies of my breeding experiments. I get stripes, streaks, dots, wavy zig-zag lines, dapples, shoulder stripes, odd colors of stripes, an so on. Many folks have come forth with all kinds of stripes tomatoes that were accidental crosses, intentional crosses or later descendants of some of my earliess OP lines. The Striped Roman, Black Zebra, Copia, and Blush.....are but a few. I will add to this list as I get time. I picked out a select group that shows a huge diversity. Enjoy! Blauer Punkt [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HqALq8S.jpg?2[/IMG] Roman Shades [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7ysDXX9.jpg?2[/IMG] Primary Colors [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/BCOS0Ic.jpg?1[/IMG] Roman Tapestry [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/COXgKFt.jpg[/IMG] Roman Gold [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/I9V0D3Y.jpg[/IMG] Sky Reacher [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AoVsoSX.jpg?1[/IMG] Abracazebra [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uS2C9mJ.jpg?1[/IMG] Go Pack [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mn3a7EO.jpg[/IMG] Arche Zebra [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hS8sihN.jpg[/IMG] Pink Scrofa [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/l0OY36L.jpg[/IMG] One of many Yamali Blue strains [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/I096gHL.jpg?1[/IMG] Ma Journée [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9tNHnER.jpg[/IMG] Hipa Gold Dwarf [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wcBf17C.jpg?1[/IMG] Glacial Zebra  Shadow Boxing #41 [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TQZL3XT.jpg[/IMG] Chocolate Blues [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bUJY2Vi.jpg[/IMG] Striped Students [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DrM3y8d.jpg[/IMG] Casady’s Folly [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PxLjE1V.png?2[/IMG] Guarbecque [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cYK99Vn.png?1[/IMG] 51 32209 [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Zn03b98.png?1[/IMG] Embarrassing tomatoes [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NqAwCkL.png?1[/IMG] Hyde and Seek [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/udiwVwC.png?1[/IMG] Schimmeig Stoo breeding line [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hjIkmqd.png?1[/IMG] Casady’s Folly X Breeding line [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zS7K98h.png?1[/IMG] Agrafen [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GeFADLE.png?1[/IMG] Combo Stripe [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/RuiupNG.png?1[/IMG] Nana [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lp7jTZV.png?1[/IMG] Vintage Gates [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rCEPQgG.png?1[/IMG] Zebra Ezel [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vhCYMkX.png?1[/IMG] My original Green Zebra strain [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UZjwrDh.png[/IMG] La Roupie [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UeaJVWZ.png?1[/IMG] Three way F-1 hybrid 
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August 25, 2013
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Tomatovillian™
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Nice work Tom, any have nice taste?
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August 25, 2013
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Tomatovillian™
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Truly incredible!!
So pretty!! There was a time where I was only interested in Reds and was afraid to even try an Orange, My Mom STILL won't eat a Green, now it amazes me what people have come up with!! how many people ask you for seeds of Blauer Punkt?? Beautiful color!!! Greg |
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August 25, 2013
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Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator
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Blauer Punkt is a new selection for me via the most interesting of 200 segregating plants in Austria. I left the seed in Vienna four years ago and this is a single plant selection made out of four plants at the Zanger Farm greenhouse in Portland, OR.
Blauer Punkt means Blue Dot in German. Did you see the blue dots? The dots look at bit different when the fruits ripen. The dot as a substitute for stripes is the point of interest for me. |
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August 25, 2013
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That three-way hybrid is similar to what I had in my mind's eye for a cherry when I started crossing Dr. Carolyn to different striped lines. Very nice.
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August 30, 2013
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Tomatovillian™
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Gorgeous!
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August 30, 2013
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Any way to fix the links so they embed in the post?
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August 30, 2013
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Yes, fix the [/IMG] part, so it's not part of the "link".
Only Tom or one of the global mods can do that though.... Lee Quote:
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August 31, 2013
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 Embedded photos require too much time to download, and make threads such as this impractical (impossible) to view. As an alternative, please consider going to "Advanced" -> "Manage Attachments", and then attach a click-able thumbnail photo.Steve |
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August 31, 2013
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It's Tom's post so if he does it ASAP he can take any possible consequences,not me. Carolyn
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August 31, 2013
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May be Chris would like to see something like this. Leave the language and enjoy the pictures :
http://tomodori.com/forum/topic11484-630.html#p244547 Let me add that Tom Wagner has lots of fans in France (tomatoes and potatoes) and they would like some information on taste. |
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August 31, 2013
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Actually, I mispoke.... get rid of the link part, and they will all show inline. That's what the img tags do with the link.
Of course, that will make it challenging for the dial up folks. Attaching the photos is another way, but can take a lot of work for many pictures such as this.... Quote:
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August 31, 2013
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I just have to tell you that seeing these two (Abracazebra and Go Pack) was like seeing a double rainbow for me. Dutch
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September 6, 2013
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Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator
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I was away from home for a few days and since picking tomatoes and potato berries and trying to extract seed as fast as possible. I am a novice at posting pictures as I use Imgur almost exclusively and not always successfully at that. I appreciate what the Tomadori site did. Here is another attempt at getting the pictures to be more easily seen. I don't have a clue what dial ups see.
I just don't have enough time to offer flavor descriptions...maybe when I list the seed later on this year. Blauer Punkt http://i.imgur.com/HqALq8S.jpg?2 Roman Shades http://i.imgur.com/7ysDXX9.jpg?2 Primary Colors http://i.imgur.com/BCOS0Ic.jpg?1 Roman Tapestry http://i.imgur.com/COXgKFt.jpg Roman Gold http://i.imgur.com/I9V0D3Y.jpg Sky Reacher http://i.imgur.com/AoVsoSX.jpg?1 Abracazebra http://i.imgur.com/uS2C9mJ.jpg?1 Go Pack http://i.imgur.com/mn3a7EO.jpg Arche Zebra http://i.imgur.com/hS8sihN.jpg Pink Scrofa http://i.imgur.com/l0OY36L.jpg One of many Yamali Blue strains http://i.imgur.com/I096gHL.jpg?1 Ma Journée http://i.imgur.com/9tNHnER.jpg Hipa Gold Dwarf http://i.imgur.com/wcBf17C.jpg?1 Shadow Boxing #41 http://i.imgur.com/TQZL3XT.jpg Chocolate Blues http://i.imgur.com/bUJY2Vi.jpg Striped Students http://i.imgur.com/DrM3y8d.jpg Casady’s Folly http://i.imgur.com/PxLjE1V.png?2 Guarbecque http://i.imgur.com/cYK99Vn.png?1 51 32209 http://i.imgur.com/Zn03b98.png?1 Embarrassing tomatoes http://i.imgur.com/NqAwCkL.png?1 Hyde and Seek http://i.imgur.com/udiwVwC.png?1 Schimmeig Stoo breeding line http://i.imgur.com/hjIkmqd.png?1 Casady’s Folly X Breeding line http://i.imgur.com/zS7K98h.png?1 Agrafen http://i.imgur.com/GeFADLE.png?1 Combo Stripe http://i.imgur.com/RuiupNG.png?1 Nana http://i.imgur.com/lp7jTZV.png?1 Vintage Gates http://i.imgur.com/rCEPQgG.png?1 Zebra Ezel http://i.imgur.com/vhCYMkX.png?1 My original Green Zebra strain http://i.imgur.com/UZjwrDh.png La Roupie http://i.imgur.com/UeaJVWZ.png?1 |
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