A larger Jaune Flammée

Raymondo · January 30, 2006

I love Jaune Flammée: great taste (I like 'em tart), beautiful fruit and a pretty good producer. I'd like something similar in a larger tomato so this year I started with some crosses. The only one that took was with Paragon. I'll grow it on but next season I'll cross JF with Aunt Gertie's Gold to get some size. I also like PL foliage but that would be a bonus. I'm not expecting to get exactly what I want in the F2, but I should get something to work with. It may require a backcross or two along the way to get the taste and colour but that's part of the fun.
PS I posted something similar over on the General Discussion forum but this seems like a more appropriate place.

Grub · January 31, 2006

Why Paragon, Ray.

Wouldn't you be better crossing it with a large orange like Kelloggs Breakfast?

The only known crosses I'm growing this year are F4 Kelloggs Breakfast and Akers West Virginia. And Lucky Cross F4. Both are doing well.

All the best, Grub

Raymondo · February 1, 2006

Paragon because it has the shape and size I'm after, and because it was the plant next to the JF. I also tried with Sioux, Marianna's Peace and Orange Heirloom but only the Paragon cross took. I didn't grow any Kellogg's Breakfasts. I put this to the folks over at the GardenWeb tommy forum. The three recommendations were: AuntGertie's Gold (I like that idea), Kellogg's Breakfast or Yellow Brandywine. I didn't have any of these in the ground this year.

Grub · February 1, 2006

I have a good strong JF growing. Hmmm. Maybe I could cross the Jaune Flammee with a Golden Monarch? Justa thought. Good growing, Grub.

Grub · February 20, 2006

UPDATE: Ray, if you happen across this thread, I have sent you Golden Monarch seeds so you can get JF taste in a big and pretty yellow with excellent taste as it is.

Raymondo · March 17, 2006

When did you send them Grub? I haven't seen anything yet.

Grub · March 18, 2006

I sent you a pile of seeds inc. some for Finbar about a month ago or more. Hmm.

Raymondo · March 19, 2006

Oh, I just assumed they were Finbar's so I stuck them away with my passport!

Raymondo · September 27, 2006

The JF x Paragon seeds have just popped their heads above ground. I must say I was rather surprised at their tardiness compared to other more stable varieties. I naively expected them to fairly leap out of the ground being hybrids - hybrid vigour and all that. Anyway, they up and growing. I'll do another cross this year using Aunt Gertie's Gold and get my son to grow out the F1. He lives in the subtropics so has a winter that works well for tomatoes.
I'm excited!

**Lee** · September 27, 2006

Sounds interesting.
I missed growing JF this year and will probably have it
back again for 07.
However, a larger sized version does sound quite nice!

Lee

Mantis · October 6, 2006

Hi Ray. How are they coming along now? I could try crossing JF with Kellogs Breakfast and or Azoychka as they are all flowering well at the moment. I'll select some suitable flowers later today.
Hope you have a better season this year eh.
Mantis

Mantis · October 20, 2006

Successful cross with Azoychka I think. Time will tell.

Raymondo · October 21, 2006

A cross with KB would give the required variability for size. Don't know about Azoychka.
Anyway, since I have a cross, which is doing very well by the way, I'll pursue it. I've decided I don't want to lose another year.

Mantis · October 22, 2006

Not sure on this cross now as Azoychka is pumping out tomatoes like a machine. One minute a flower the next a tomato. So the one I thought I crossed could have been pollinated before I emasculated the flower. I will save seeds anyway and grow one out to see.

Raymondo · March 15, 2007

I have some F1s, though not quite what I expected. Both of the parents, Jaune Flammée and Paragon, are stable open-pollinated varieties so I expected to see a uniform first generation (F1), small and red in fact. I have two plants of the F1 and they are producing different tomatoes. One is medium-sized (that's a standard AA battery in the pic), orange with a pink internal blush, similar to Jaune Flammée, though the orange colouring isn't as striking and the flavour is good, but no more. The fruit also has green shoulders. The other is red and smallish (which is what I expected in the F1) with a rather elongated shape. Internally the colouring is a lovely rosy red and the flavour is very good.
The first looks more like what I'm after so that's the one I'll pursue into the F2. I'll probably grow a few seeds from the other just out of curiosity. Anyway, this all says to me that one or other (or perhaps both) of the original parents was itself crossed. Is that a reasonable conclusion given what I'm seeing in the F1?

January 30, 2006	#1
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	A larger Jaune Flammée I love Jaune Flammée: great taste (I like 'em tart), beautiful fruit and a pretty good producer. I'd like something similar in a larger tomato so this year I started with some crosses. The only one that took was with Paragon. I'll grow it on but next season I'll cross JF with Aunt Gertie's Gold to get some size. I also like PL foliage but that would be a bonus. I'm not expecting to get exactly what I want in the F2, but I should get something to work with. It may require a backcross or two along the way to get the taste and colour but that's part of the fun. PS I posted something similar over on the General Discussion forum but this seems like a more appropriate place. __________________ Ray

January 31, 2006	#2
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	What About... Why Paragon, Ray. Wouldn't you be better crossing it with a large orange like Kelloggs Breakfast? The only known crosses I'm growing this year are F4 Kelloggs Breakfast and Akers West Virginia. And Lucky Cross F4. Both are doing well. All the best, Grub

February 1, 2006	#3
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	Paragon because it has the shape and size I'm after, and because it was the plant next to the JF. I also tried with Sioux, Marianna's Peace and Orange Heirloom but only the Paragon cross took. I didn't grow any Kellogg's Breakfasts. I put this to the folks over at the GardenWeb tommy forum. The three recommendations were: AuntGertie's Gold (I like that idea), Kellogg's Breakfast or Yellow Brandywine. I didn't have any of these in the ground this year. __________________ Ray

February 1, 2006	#4
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	JF Cross I have a good strong JF growing. Hmmm. Maybe I could cross the Jaune Flammee with a Golden Monarch? Justa thought. Good growing, Grub.

February 20, 2006	#5
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	Big Yellow UPDATE: Ray, if you happen across this thread, I have sent you Golden Monarch seeds so you can get JF taste in a big and pretty yellow with excellent taste as it is.

March 17, 2006	#6
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	When did you send them Grub? I haven't seen anything yet. __________________ Ray

March 18, 2006	#7
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	My Seed Share I sent you a pile of seeds inc. some for Finbar about a month ago or more. Hmm.

March 19, 2006	#8
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	Oh, I just assumed they were Finbar's so I stuck them away with my passport! __________________ Ray

September 27, 2006	#9
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	The JF x Paragon seeds have just popped their heads above ground. I must say I was rather surprised at their tardiness compared to other more stable varieties. I naively expected them to fairly leap out of the ground being hybrids - hybrid vigour and all that. Anyway, they up and growing. I'll do another cross this year using Aunt Gertie's Gold and get my son to grow out the F1. He lives in the subtropics so has a winter that works well for tomatoes. I'm excited! __________________ Ray

September 27, 2006	#10
Lee Tomatopalooza™ Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NC-Zone 7 Posts: 2,188	Sounds interesting. I missed growing JF this year and will probably have it back again for 07. However, a larger sized version does sound quite nice! Lee __________________ Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put one in a fruit salad. Cuostralee - The best thing on sliced bread.

October 6, 2006	#11
Mantis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 1,241	Hi Ray. How are they coming along now? I could try crossing JF with Kellogs Breakfast and or Azoychka as they are all flowering well at the moment. I'll select some suitable flowers later today. Hope you have a better season this year eh. Mantis

October 20, 2006	#12
Mantis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 1,241	Successful cross with Azoychka I think. Time will tell.

October 21, 2006	#13
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	A cross with KB would give the required variability for size. Don't know about Azoychka. Anyway, since I have a cross, which is doing very well by the way, I'll pursue it. I've decided I don't want to lose another year. __________________ Ray

October 22, 2006	#14
Mantis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 1,241	Not sure on this cross now as Azoychka is pumping out tomatoes like a machine. One minute a flower the next a tomato. So the one I thought I crossed could have been pollinated before I emasculated the flower. I will save seeds anyway and grow one out to see.

March 15, 2007	#15
Raymondo Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Saumarez Ponds, NSW, Australia Posts: 946	I have some F1s, though not quite what I expected. Both of the parents, Jaune Flammée and Paragon, are stable open-pollinated varieties so I expected to see a uniform first generation (F1), small and red in fact. I have two plants of the F1 and they are producing different tomatoes. One is medium-sized (that's a standard AA battery in the pic), orange with a pink internal blush, similar to Jaune Flammée, though the orange colouring isn't as striking and the flavour is good, but no more. The fruit also has green shoulders. The other is red and smallish (which is what I expected in the F1) with a rather elongated shape. Internally the colouring is a lovely rosy red and the flavour is very good. The first looks more like what I'm after so that's the one I'll pursue into the F2. I'll probably grow a few seeds from the other just out of curiosity. Anyway, this all says to me that one or other (or perhaps both) of the original parents was itself crossed. Is that a reasonable conclusion given what I'm seeing in the F1? __________________ Ray