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December 29, 2007 | #1 | |
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TSWV Tomato spotted wilt virus
I am beginning this post due to a General Discussion Post on Spotted Wilt Varieties. As I seldom get to the other forum topics to even visit, therefore, I am hoping that this discussion where I am the moderator will help keep me involved in the direct issues.
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================================= As a breeder of tomatoes I was surprised on how few of the TSWV resistant lines I have grown. Even fewer in my crossing programs. Not so many years ago, the general consensus hinted that there were no resistant lines available. The advanced work on developing the resistance has mushroomed the last few years, but not among heirloom growers, alas. The problem..... Most of the TSWV resitant tomato cultivars are not very tasty tomatoes. The list of TSWV resistant tomatoes to date.12-28-07 Sweet Cluster F1 Sebring Muriel Health Kick Cupid F1 Crista F1 BHN-685 BHN-640 BHN 555 BHN-444 Belle Rose Amelia VR F1 NC 0256 NC 032939 NC 0341 BHN 601 Quincy SVR 01408426 Topgun HMX800 HMX9800 HA-3074 HA-3371 WS 4062 Fla 925-2 Stevens Corrida Extremo DRW 7556 DRW 57-19 Kerala Kamuka Paradise Camel (HMX 4793) El Cano (XP 2508410) Bullet points about TSWV:
I would like to do more to help on this matter, but I've found that there is little support to someone like me to do this. My talk in Iowa earlier this year (2007) about introducing hybrid heirlooms with improved disease tolerance and other qualities left me with the impression that I was largely alone in this effort. I will try to access some of the lines with the TSWV resistance and/or if anyone sends me seed of those. I will try to breed these lines, hybrid or not, to test the single gene dominant trait (published) and to find marker genes associated with resistance. I have some heirloom lines that I will cross, but if others have suggestions on what heirlooms need to be crossed, let me know. Is the need veritable? Can the resistant heirloom/commercial hybrids be tested or first releases by 2009? Can true breeding lines of new TSWV heirlooms be released by 2012? What support structure can be implemented? Seed Venues? Who, What, Where,When, and How? The answers to the above questions could be totally affirmative, however there is this confessional: I have listened to many Inspirational talks by keynoters over the years. I fear that the audiences are somewhat inspired, but left unchallenged. I, unfortunately, am not the inspirational speaker, nor the challenger; if anything I am but a foot soldier in tomato breeding. The 2008 season is soon to started, let me know how I can help regarding TSWV. Tom Wagner |
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December 29, 2007 | #2 |
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My initial question is how difficult is it to acquire germplasm for the varieties you have listed?
Let's forget the "heirloom" tag for a second and say open-pollinated, and in that regard, there is plenty of desire and activity in finding new tomato varieties that come true from seed from year to year. Look at the dwarf project. It continues to mushroom and there may be two dozen new varieties that get selected out of it. As much as people are affected by TSWV even on this forum, I'd say that if someone made seeds available of some of the varieties above, we could see our first F1 crosses in 2008 and start getting some stabilized varieties by 2012. The most challenging part will be confirming TSWV resistance (I am using the word resistance here because to my knowledge, the varieties listed do not succumb to TSWV at all, but instead are just carriers -- someone correct me if I am wrong). With some of the reports posted in the other thread, any tomato variety that is not TSWV-resistant will get wiped out fast enough to be obvious, if not scientifically proven. Thoughts?
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Morgan, great questions.
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The last few years have been devoted to things like organic gardening adaptations, Late Blight resistance, recombination of Heirloom hybrids, and filial advancement. Should I devote time and energy to the issues of TSWV? The readership here on TVille is small compared to the general public and global researcher, and getting the message out is next to impossible for me. Tom Wagner |
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December 29, 2007 | #4 |
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TSWV affects my garden every year and has done so since 2003. It is endemic throughout the SouthEast U.S. and also along most of the Atlantic coast. Infection in the MidWest has been reported in the last few years.
It is obvious from this that incorporation of the S5 gene into some of the heirloom cultivars would be desirable. The major issue with S5 is that it is linked to several undesirable genes. This linkage has only recently been broken to some extent with resulting releases of varieties such as Amelia and Health Kick. I would suggest making a simple cross of Amelia with some of the larger and better flavored heirlooms. Brandywine, Daniels, Cherokee Purple, etc would be good starters. The initial cross should be followed with backcrosses to the heirloom parent once confirmed tolerant lines are available. It is simple to test a plant for tolerance. all you need is an infected plant and a knife. slice off a sprig from the infected plant and make small notches in healthy plants, then rub the cut sprig in the wound. DarJones |
December 29, 2007 | #5 |
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Tom,
We were wiped out last summer, near Wahoo, Nebraska, by TSVW. This started before we saw you at SSE meeting in July, and just got worse after we returned home. If you are just a foot soldier, I do not know what I am - let me think on this one! Keep thinking, Kent & Kathy P.S. Tom, I will send you a PM now, k? |
December 29, 2007 | #6 |
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Tom,
I think you are misunderstanding me. I am not asking you to perform any pro bono work, research, or growouts. You responded to the question regarding TSWV with a volunteer of information, and that is exactly what I am hoping for. Oh and seeds. If there are any costs involved in acquiring these seeds, or you would rather refer us to the direct sources to get them, I'm sure the people who have posted in this thread and the other TSWV thread who are currently getting NO tomatoes despite growing dozens of them would be happy to cough up a few bucks to acquire seeds. I can buy Amelia and Health Kick plants here in Houston and have seeds for ~140 varieties, although I have no clue how to do crosses myself. TSWV is not a problem in Houston -- yet -- but it could be, and I'd like to have seeds ready for some tomatoes that don't taste like licking a fencepost.
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To Darrel, Kent, and Morgan, and anyone else reading,
Sorry to hear so many folks are affected adversely by TSWV. I have not lived in Kansas since 1988, so I am out of the loop what is going on back there too! I live in Everett, Washington. Quote:
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The list to add to 12-28-07:TSWV res.Most are F-1s 'Crista' = (NC 0256 NC 0227 NC 0236 NC 0367 NC 0377 NC 0392 NC 056 Fla. 7964 Fla. 8042 NC 032939 NC 0341 PSR 55289 HMX 5790 HMX 5790 Sophya HMX 3861 Nico Red Defender Picus (XP 01429864) PS 01522942 PS 01522935 Quincy (XP 01408383) Redline (formerly RFT 4971) HMX 5790 NC 58S(2002)-1A (parent of NC 0392) NC 123S(2002)-1C (parent of NC 0256 which is named Crista NC 127S(2002)-BK (parent of NC 0227 and NC 0236) NC 58S(2002)-1A NC 123S(2002)-1C NC 127S(2002)-BK I want to access the Daddy of some of the lines with SW-5 resistance, namely, Accession: LA3667 from the Donor Mikel Stevens. It originated from an F5 of Stevens x Rodale It is identified with the Locus name: Spotted wilt resistance-5 Chromosome: 9 Arm: L. Now all I have to find out is what else in on the long arm of chromosome 9, as in what is missing and what else is there. Did just a snippet of this chromosome get involved or did the whole darn chromosome carry down? The Sw5 gene, which I just mentioned, has been mapped near the telomere of the long arm of chromosome 9 back in 1995. I wonder if there has been any translocations, ie, breakage and reconnection of odd pieces of the chromosome 9? Being so close to the telomere (that's the end of the chromosome) I am thinking deletions, additions, and translocations are bit more likely. The early resulting lines have been used in so many warmer climates that I am afraid of hearing more reports of the resistance of these new varieties becoming overcome by the virus. This is where TVille could help us triangulate the research data. Quote:
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Yes, I remember you well Kent. We had some longs chats back in Iowa, didn't we? What I did not remember is that TSWV was your enemy! Foot soldier? I take no commands and give none either, so maybe I am less than a foot soldier? Quote:
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I suppose I should list where many of the current TSWV resistant lines may be obtained, requested, or bought? Lord, I need an editor to help me sort out my ramblings, good thing I don't really care if I goof up a bit. Thanks for reading this far! Tom Wagner |
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December 30, 2007 | #8 |
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I am almost certain this is what kills my tomatoes each year. I have noticed that certain varieties DO seem to live longer and one of them is Big Boy. I also noticed Red Zebra gave it a good go this last year. Last year was my last for trying to plant in ground. Another one that lasted was Amulet (from Andrey). I would love to participate in such a trial. My first year growing here was the best then year after year it got worse and now you can't plant at all in the soil.
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December 30, 2007 | #9 |
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Some of the descriptions I have found of TSWV don't seem very useful to me. The thing I look for, because I am a visual person, is a bronzing or purpling of the leaves. That is the one sign that I can tell even from far away or a thumbnail image that a plant may have TSWV.
Tom, We do not have TSWV here in Houston, and I don't really have a dog in this fight. Anyway, I've responded to your e-mail regarding getting you a website built. I don't want to step on any toes, but if all other leads are dead, I will gladly step in and get you started.
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August 11, 2009 | #10 |
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OP tomato lines with the Sw-5 gene for TSWV resistance
To Tom Wagner and other breeders
I have released several op lines with the Sw-5 gene for TSWV resistance and these lines have other useful resistance genes also. All of my Sw-5 lines originated from the hybrid Amelia which I co-developed with a seed company breeder. All of the lines I have released so far are determinate and some of them are used in commercial hybrids such as Fletcher, Mountain Glory, Crista and a new plum tomato hybrid, Plum Regal, which should be on the market next year. I am also working on getting TSWV resistance into good grape tomatoes. If you type NC tomato breeding program into Yahoo or Google, you will see the link to my website. All the TSWV resistant lines require a signed seed tranfer agreement (available for download at the website with instructions for submitting) and are intended for use as parent materials for hybrids and as a source of resistance for developing new varieties. They are not available to growers who just want to grow them for production of fruit and not use them in breeding. It would be easy to develop op heirloom types by backcrossing the Sw-5 gene into heirloom varieties. There is a good molecular marker for the Sw-5 gene and there are commercial labs that will test your backcross lines for a reasonable fee to help you identify your segregating lines with the Sw-5 gene. The TSWV resisatnt lines I have worked with have been crossed and selected enough that I don't see any bad traits associated with the resistance. The backcross into heirloom varieties would be very straightforward. The newest line I have released, NC 1CS, has the crimson gene for increased lycopene. This gene would also be useful to cross into some heirlooms. I am presently working on early blight and late blight resistance in heirloom types and plan on putting the Sw-5 gene into some of these lines. Tom, I hope to hear from you with an update on your breeding. Randy |
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Randy,
Good to hear from you! Thanks for clarifying the TSWV issue with regards to your work. I have been crossing Sophya and hybrids of it to a number of different lines. It is good to know that there are some marker genes associated with it. Quote:
As I travel the next two months in Europe, I will undoubtedly get questions about TSWV, and I feel more prepared to answer folks more forthright. Thanks. Tom Wagner BTW, the Late Blight res. material is showing great results out of the material you sent a few years ago. |
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August 11, 2009 | #12 |
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What is the ratio of seedlings one might expect to find Sw-5 gene expressed as a dominant pair in the F2 from an original F1 Sw5 hybrid x an heirloom cross?
About how much would the lab charge to test say 8 plants for Sw-5 dominant, or can that be done at the F2? If an F2 plant tests "positive" for Sw-5 dominant (if I'm saying that right or if my assumption is correct), will all the F3s from that plant's seed be Sw-5 dominant? Has Bolseno been tested and confirmed to carry Sw-5? |
August 12, 2009 | #13 |
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The dominant nature of this Sw-5 gene is particularly useful to select
resistant heterozygous/homozygous plants from a hybrid such as Bolseno. Fully 3/4 of the F-2's will be resistant, and logically 1/4 will be not. Only one third of the resistant plants will be homozygous and true breeding. The other 2/3 will segregate again for the 1:2:1 An inoculation test with a TSWV virus strain also may be performed to confirm the successful introgression of resistance in breeding lines. Who does this service? One of the reasons I have made a number of crosses with Sophya, is that in addition to the intermediate resistance to TSWV, it carries resistances to Fusarium crown & root rot Fusarium wilt 1 and 2 Root knot Gray leaf spot Tomato mosaic Tomato yellow leaf curl Verticillium wilt and is a rare indeterminate line. Therefore, half of the crosses to other lines will carry a heterozygous gene. Furthermore, half of those crosses to yet other lines will 1:1 hit or miss. That is OK since look at all the other traits that may pull through. I put these crosses away and may send them out to areas where TSWV is a problem. If the heirloom quality of the tomatoes meet acceptance AND is resistant to TSWV, I must have great numbers of crosses and segregating selfed lines to obtain even a modicum of cool lines. Tom Wagner |
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marker testing for Sw-5 and other tomato genes
Tom, thanks for responding to the question posed about the Sw-5 gene in segregating generations. The lab I am familiar with and have used in the past is STA Laboratories. The beauty of the marker assisted breeding is that the test for Sw-5 and most of the other markers are co-dominant markers so the results tell you not only whether the selection is resistant but also whether it is homozygous or heterozygous for the gene. Another nice thing is that the same sample can be tested at the same time for markers for multiple genes. Using the marker assisted selection(MAS), I was able very quickly to combine Sw-5, Mi, and I-3 genes into one useful breeding line (NC 123S). Your material with potential for several combined genes would be ideal for use of MAS. However, to test the number of lines you would need to combine several genes in one line would start to become expensive. Please look at the website for STA Laboratories. It has a lot of good information about their services and contact information for them so you can find out how much they currently charge for testing.
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http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/fletcher/programs/tomato/
IN a post above Randy referred those interested to the above link which describes in detail the work in progress and information about what's been developed and what might be developed. This summer I'm trialing Mountain Magic F1 and Plum Regal F1 as well as Smarty F1 which is currently offered by Johnny's Selected Seeds, the other two to be introduced commercially next year. These seeds sent to me as I think thanks for several heirloom varieties I sent to Randy for some of his breeding projects. Randy, I'm delighted to see you posting here and I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch you and Tom discuss genetics and hopefully learn as I read, as I hope others will as well. No TSWV here but I'm fighting the good fight against Late Blight as you know, and nothing so far but I'm surrounded with it on all sides and so am having Freda, who does all my gardening for me, pay close attention to any leaf/stem problems as well as keeping a close look at Mountain Magic with its LB tolerances. She comes today to spray and scout the plants. Everything is so behind that unless we get a very late first Fall frost I might not have tomatoes this year. Fingers crossed. And welcome to Tomatoville! And Freda just arrived, telling me of two others nearby who had to pull ALL of their plants, so we have to do the tomato stuff right now.
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