Bush Varieties

TomatoDon · April 22, 2008

I'm seeing the usual Bush and determinate varieties in nurseries and discount centers, plus some new ones. I don't have much experience with any of the Bush varieties, believing that the fruit produced was small to medium size. I'm hearing that this is not always true.

What are some of the best bush varieties out there with medium and larger fruit? I was curious if the bush varieties reach a growth/foliage maturity and then put most of their energy into fruit production. I'm hearing they produce buckets of tomatoes, but on the medium and smaller side.

Just curious because I really don't know much about them at all. Maybe some of you can offer info.

Thanks!

Don

Tania · April 22, 2008

Don,

One variety that comes to my mind that is det. and large-fruited is Krasnodor Titans (http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...asnodor_Titans)

... and a couple of heart-shaped Russian tomatoes -

Tyazheloves Sibiri - http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...heloves_Sibiri

Fidelio - http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/index.php/Fidelio

It is likely that you'll find this type of tomatoes among modern Russian varieties, as many Russian breeders bred determinates to grow under cover and/or for concentrated harvest.

Tania · April 22, 2008

A list of some det. varieties (not necessary large-fruited!) can be viewed here:http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...inate_Tomatoes

gssgarden · April 23, 2008

Always grew Bush Champion and was never unhappy. Can't believe what this little plant puts out. This year I'm running it side by side with New Big Dwarf and see what's my best container plant. NBD has it's work cut out for it.

Greg

Andrey_BY · April 23, 2008

Tyazheloves Sibiri has been bred specially by Siberian breeders for Siberian growing conditions among many new Siberian varieties. There is a trend and State order for breeding institutes for determinates for growing outdoor and indoor in former Soviet Union countries. Also there are some private breeders who prefer to bred for such flexible vareities with rather compact plant height and fruits of different sizes here...

**carolyn137** · April 23, 2008

Tania, I know you had Sophie's Choice on your list of large fruited det varieties, but I feel so positive about it that I wanted to mention it separately.

Also, what do you really think of Krasnodor Titans that you mentioned above?

I know that I was the first to list that in the SSE Yearbook but I had really mixed feelings about it on two counts: not for fresh eating IMO, and it has the thickest walls I've ever seen on a variety except for Santa Clara Canner and Diener, a derivative of SCC.

Tania · April 23, 2008

Carolyn,

I agree with your assessment - Krasnodor Titans is definitely not for fresh eating (too firm and tough in my opinion). This is what I had posted at TOMATObase, if you did not followed the link:

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98 days, det., dense regular dark green foliage, large round red tomatoes, 8-17 oz, blemish-free firm round fruit that keeps very well after picking, very high yields. I would not grow it for taste, but it is very good for canning.

Btw, I do not consider Sophie's Choice to be a 'large' tomato - I think it fits 'medium' category.

TomatoDon · April 23, 2008

What's the practical difference in a bush and a dwarf?

Don

dice · April 23, 2008

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What's the practical difference in a bush and a dwarf?

Dwarf's are not originally determinate, just a very compact
type of plant that may fruit all season like an indeterminate. Bush types are almost always determinate.

A thorough discussion of the dwarf type on DG:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/778581/

feldon30 · April 23, 2008

Dwarves are known for rugose foliage and a very upright plant habit. They rarely need support until heavy fruitset (and then those conical cages at Wal-Mart can be used).

**carolyn137** · April 23, 2008

Btw, I do not consider Sophie's Choice to be a 'large' tomato - I think it fits 'medium' category.

*****

When speaking of early determinates I guess I consider the fruits of Sophie's Choice, usually in the 6-8 oz range, to be large. For non-dets I'd call it medium. Just my opinion.

And no, said Carolyn hanging her head in shame, I didn't follow the link for KT.

I'm glad we agree on Krasnodor Titans. I'd almost call the fruits forever fruits b'c they stayed fine on the vine for so long and even after picking them they sat there for a very long time before they started to shrivel.

**mdvpc** · April 23, 2008

All dwarves are not rugose. My definition of a dwarf tomato plant is any plant, when mature, that is 3.4 feet and no taller.

cottonpicker · April 23, 2008

mdvpc..... WHY Can't a mature 3.5 ft. plant be a dwarf??.... lol......

feldon30 · April 23, 2008

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Originally Posted by mdvpc

All dwarves are not rugose. My definition of a dwarf tomato plant is any plant, when mature, that is 3.4 feet and no taller.

Then Bush Celebrity, Bush Goliath, etc. would fit that definition. Very confusing IMO.

Deer Park · April 23, 2008

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April 22, 2008	#1
TomatoDon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MS Posts: 1,523	Bush Varieties I'm seeing the usual Bush and determinate varieties in nurseries and discount centers, plus some new ones. I don't have much experience with any of the Bush varieties, believing that the fruit produced was small to medium size. I'm hearing that this is not always true. What are some of the best bush varieties out there with medium and larger fruit? I was curious if the bush varieties reach a growth/foliage maturity and then put most of their energy into fruit production. I'm hearing they produce buckets of tomatoes, but on the medium and smaller side. Just curious because I really don't know much about them at all. Maybe some of you can offer info. Thanks! Don __________________ Zone 7B, N. MS

April 22, 2008	#2
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Don, One variety that comes to my mind that is det. and large-fruited is Krasnodor Titans (http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...asnodor_Titans) ... and a couple of heart-shaped Russian tomatoes - Tyazheloves Sibiri - http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...heloves_Sibiri Fidelio - http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/index.php/Fidelio It is likely that you'll find this type of tomatoes among modern Russian varieties, as many Russian breeders bred determinates to grow under cover and/or for concentrated harvest. __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

April 22, 2008	#3
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	A list of some det. varieties (not necessary large-fruited!) can be viewed here:http://t-garden.homeip.net/mwiki/ind...inate_Tomatoes __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase Last edited by Tania; April 23, 2008 at 11:50 AM.

April 23, 2008	#5
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	Tyazheloves Sibiri has been bred specially by Siberian breeders for Siberian growing conditions among many new Siberian varieties. There is a trend and State order for breeding institutes for determinates for growing outdoor and indoor in former Soviet Union countries. Also there are some private breeders who prefer to bred for such flexible vareities with rather compact plant height and fruits of different sizes here... __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR Last edited by Andrey_BY; April 23, 2008 at 02:44 PM.

April 23, 2008	#6
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Tania, I know you had Sophie's Choice on your list of large fruited det varieties, but I feel so positive about it that I wanted to mention it separately. Also, what do you really think of Krasnodor Titans that you mentioned above? I know that I was the first to list that in the SSE Yearbook but I had really mixed feelings about it on two counts: not for fresh eating IMO, and it has the thickest walls I've ever seen on a variety except for Santa Clara Canner and Diener, a derivative of SCC. __________________ Carolyn

April 23, 2008	#4
gssgarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N.C. Posts: 1,827	Always grew Bush Champion and was never unhappy. Can't believe what this little plant puts out. This year I'm running it side by side with New Big Dwarf and see what's my best container plant. NBD has it's work cut out for it. Greg

April 23, 2008	#10
feldon30 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,346	Dwarves are known for rugose foliage and a very upright plant habit. They rarely need support until heavy fruitset (and then those conical cages at Wal-Mart can be used). __________________ [SIZE="3"]I've relaunched my gardening website -- [B]TheUnconventionalTomato.com[/B][/SIZE] * [I][SIZE="1"]*I'm not allowed to post weblinks so you'll have to copy-paste it manually.[/SIZE][/I]

April 23, 2008	#12
mdvpc Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 4,386	All dwarves are not rugose. My definition of a dwarf tomato plant is any plant, when mature, that is 3.4 feet and no taller. __________________ Michael

April 23, 2008	#13
cottonpicker Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SE PA..near Valley Forge Posts: 839	mdvpc..... WHY Can't a mature 3.5 ft. plant be a dwarf??.... lol...... __________________ "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause". Victor Hugo Last edited by cottonpicker; April 23, 2008 at 05:21 PM. Reason: humor

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Deer Park Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pasadena, Texas Posts: 199	EM Champion, Volgradskiye 323, Naliv Last edited by Deer Park; April 24, 2008 at 08:11 AM.