Tomato types

Kazedwards · June 25, 2016

What does everyone consider different types. To you are cherries and grape tomatoes different? What about salad tomatoes? What are different types for you guys?

-Zach

Kazedwards · June 25, 2016

Here are mine.

Cherries- bigger than a current but smaller than 2oz

Current

Beefsteak/oblate- more wide than tall.

Round/globe

Heart

Plum

-Zach

Gardeneer · June 25, 2016

Well, to me the name has to have some relevant meaning. "CHERRY" is never nearly 2 0z in weight. I consider anything bigger than currant and up to 1 oz as cherry.
And salad tomatoes bigger than one ounce up to 2.5 oz. Maybe 3 oz, max. Anything bigger than 3 oz is beefsteak, to me.
Grape is the same as cherry in size but it is oval. JMO

Gardeneer

Kazedwards · June 25, 2016

Would you call a round tomato a beefsteak then?

-Zach

Gardeneer · June 25, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazedwards

Would you call a round tomato a beefsteak then?

-Zach

Well, I am not sure about that but . To me "Beefsteak" does not need o be round. It can be pleated, oval , boat shaped.. as well.

Gardeneer

ContainerTed · June 25, 2016

Currant for the small pea sizes usually with husks
Cherry for all those in the 1 oz range
Large Cherry = for 1.5 to 2 oz
Saladette = for 2 to 6 oz
Slicer = for the 6-9 oz
Beefsteak = for those 10 to 16 oz
Super Beefsteak = for those above 1 pound
(those are all sizes)

Pear, Plum, Globe, and Oblate are shapes. And shapes can have descriptors. Such as "Elongated Pear", "Fat Plum", "Ribbed Globe", "Round Oblate", etc.

Nothin' to it.

bower · June 25, 2016

You said it all, Ted!

I like your ways.

AlittleSalt · June 25, 2016

I guess I over simplify things sometimes.

There is:

Too small to mess with (currant sized)
Cherry Tomatoes (Larger than currant - up to 2 oz.)
Small (2-5 oz.)
Medium (5-12 oz.)
Large (12 - 16 oz.)
Huge (Above a pound)

A beefsteak comes from a cow.

Fred Hempel · June 25, 2016

Even when basic tomato characteristics are broken into a few simple categories, you can easily define 60 distinct types of tomatoes (4 sizes X 5 shapes X 3 interior structures)

For example: Beefsteaks are what we typically call large flattened tomatoes that are relatively solid/wet inside. Classic cherry tomatoes are small round tomatoes that are solid, but with significant gel/seeds.

1. Size (small, saladette, medium, large)

2. Shape (round, elongated, flattened, heart-shaped, pear-shaped)

3. Interior structure (solid/wet, relatively dry with few seeds, solid significant seeds/gel)

Shape, for example does not define a type of tomato. Many people assume that elongated tomatoes are "paste" tomatoes. But paste tomatoes are typically "dry" inside.

People often want to call some of my cherry tomatoes "paste" tomatoes. Blush, for example, is shaped like many paste tomatoes, but it's interior is solid with significant seeds/gel. I would call it an elongated cherry tomato.

Fred Hempel · June 25, 2016

Speckled Roman is another tomato that doesn't fit the "paste" category, although it is typically called one.

I would say it is a medium sized elongated tomato with a solid/wet interior. Taste-wise I think it really has more in common with many beefsteaks than with other elongated tomatoes that superficially look like it.

ilex · June 26, 2016

Determinate, indeterminate, by way of growth ... dry farmed tomatoes for example, by use ... fresh use (salad), processing, drying. And de colgar tomatoes.

One variety can belong to more than one category.

ramapojoe · June 28, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardeneer

Well, to me the name has to have some relevant meaning. "CHERRY" is never nearly 2 0z in weight. I consider anything bigger than currant and up to 1 oz as cherry.
And salad tomatoes bigger than one ounce up to 2.5 oz. Maybe 3 oz, max. Anything bigger than 3 oz is beefsteak, to me.
Grape is the same as cherry in size but it is oval. JMO

Gardeneer

this must be a typo. surely you meant to say 'anything more than 13 oz is beefsteak'

Tormato · June 28, 2016

I ain't going there. Hosting a swap, dealing with types (categories), I have it down to a little over 20. And that's consolidating some types together.

Cole_Robbie · June 28, 2016

Weather and fruit set have a big impact upon the size of fruit that I get from any one particular plant. Sometimes cherries are saladettes and vice-versa.

Merediana · June 29, 2016

I find names can sometimes be misleading.

This season I'm growing Amethyst Cream Cherry and I was a bit surprised by there size - I expected a regular cherry but they are just a bit bigger than a currant... At least in my case. I've found pictures of bigger fruits online...

And here in Germany we have a problem with "fake" oxheart tomatoes. Many markets and fruit and veggie stores do now sell "oxhearts" but an oxheart to me is a tomato with dense flesh and not many seeds. But the ones sold here are all looking like "Gezahnte" with not much flesh but deep ridges and partly hollow inside...
http://www.rareseeds.de/WebRoot/Stor...erz_Tomate.JPG

June 25, 2016	#1
Kazedwards Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 368	Tomato types What does everyone consider different types. To you are cherries and grape tomatoes different? What about salad tomatoes? What are different types for you guys? -Zach __________________ -Zach

June 25, 2016	#2
Kazedwards Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 368	Here are mine. Cherries- bigger than a current but smaller than 2oz Current Beefsteak/oblate- more wide than tall. Round/globe Heart Plum -Zach __________________ -Zach

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Kazedwards Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 368	Would you call a round tomato a beefsteak then? -Zach __________________ -Zach

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ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Currant for the small pea sizes usually with husks Cherry for all those in the 1 oz range Large Cherry = for 1.5 to 2 oz Saladette = for 2 to 6 oz Slicer = for the 6-9 oz Beefsteak = for those 10 to 16 oz Super Beefsteak = for those above 1 pound (those are all sizes) Pear, Plum, Globe, and Oblate are shapes. And shapes can have descriptors. Such as "Elongated Pear", "Fat Plum", "Ribbed Globe", "Round Oblate", etc. Nothin' to it. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

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Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,916	Well, to me the name has to have some relevant meaning. "CHERRY" is never nearly 2 0z in weight. I consider anything bigger than currant and up to 1 oz as cherry. And salad tomatoes bigger than one ounce up to 2.5 oz. Maybe 3 oz, max. Anything bigger than 3 oz is beefsteak, to me. Grape is the same as cherry in size but it is oval. JMO Gardeneer

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bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	You said it all, Ted! I like your ways.

June 25, 2016	#8
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	I guess I over simplify things sometimes. There is: Too small to mess with (currant sized) Cherry Tomatoes (Larger than currant - up to 2 oz.) Small (2-5 oz.) Medium (5-12 oz.) Large (12 - 16 oz.) Huge (Above a pound) A beefsteak comes from a cow.

June 25, 2016	#9
Fred Hempel Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Sunol, CA Posts: 2,723	Even when basic tomato characteristics are broken into a few simple categories, you can easily define 60 distinct types of tomatoes (4 sizes X 5 shapes X 3 interior structures) For example: Beefsteaks are what we typically call large flattened tomatoes that are relatively solid/wet inside. Classic cherry tomatoes are small round tomatoes that are solid, but with significant gel/seeds. 1. Size (small, saladette, medium, large) 2. Shape (round, elongated, flattened, heart-shaped, pear-shaped) 3. Interior structure (solid/wet, relatively dry with few seeds, solid significant seeds/gel) Shape, for example does not define a type of tomato. Many people assume that elongated tomatoes are "paste" tomatoes. But paste tomatoes are typically "dry" inside. People often want to call some of my cherry tomatoes "paste" tomatoes. Blush, for example, is shaped like many paste tomatoes, but it's interior is solid with significant seeds/gel. I would call it an elongated cherry tomato.

June 26, 2016	#11
ilex Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Spain Posts: 416	Determinate, indeterminate, by way of growth ... dry farmed tomatoes for example, by use ... fresh use (salad), processing, drying. And de colgar tomatoes. One variety can belong to more than one category.

June 28, 2016	#13
Tormato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MA Posts: 4,971	I ain't going there. Hosting a swap, dealing with types (categories), I have it down to a little over 20. And that's consolidating some types together.

June 28, 2016	#14
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	Weather and fruit set have a big impact upon the size of fruit that I get from any one particular plant. Sometimes cherries are saladettes and vice-versa.

June 29, 2016	#15
Merediana Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: germany Posts: 190	I find names can sometimes be misleading. This season I'm growing Amethyst Cream Cherry and I was a bit surprised by there size - I expected a regular cherry but they are just a bit bigger than a currant... At least in my case. I've found pictures of bigger fruits online... And here in Germany we have a problem with "fake" oxheart tomatoes. Many markets and fruit and veggie stores do now sell "oxhearts" but an oxheart to me is a tomato with dense flesh and not many seeds. But the ones sold here are all looking like "Gezahnte" with not much flesh but deep ridges and partly hollow inside... http://www.rareseeds.de/WebRoot/Stor...erz_Tomate.JPG