Cherokee Purple alternatives

Bogaat · January 17, 2014

Ok all...I am a full time greenhouse tomato grower who specializes in heirlooms...and basically tomatoes that just plain taste good (not against hybrids). I am resisting many of the standard greenhouse hybrids despite higher yields and disease resistance. The chefs and market love many of the varieties I grow...including the Cherokee purples. However, I am not a big fan of their growth patterns or the number of lower quality fruit that are harvested. You get some nice big pretties...and then some that are just not marketable. Most of the other varieties I grow don't have that problem. Alternatives with comparable (or higher) yields, excellent taste and a similar color? I have grown Black Krim in the past, but never took data...was thinking about that one. Also, any other suggestions variety wise? I am growing them all hydroponically and pushing for a long "season". I grow year round and each row stays in for 35 weeks. Thanks in advance!

Hermitian · January 17, 2014

To get good crops out of Cherokee Purple -- or almost all 1/2 pound and up size fruits, be sure your available Potash is in a 3:2 ratio with available Nitrogen; i.e., 3 parts available Potash to 2 parts available Nitrogen. Also, amortized across the growing season in the hydroponic environment you will want to use 1/4 pound available Nitrogen per plant.

Now ... I understand that Cherokee Purple can be shall we say, grouchy? I have found that "Black From Tula" is a far more predictable cropper and has less of a heat requirement (in terms of degree-days) to maturity than Cherokee Purple.

bower · January 17, 2014

Indian Stripe has the same taste as CP in a slightly smaller fruit. Personally I like that characteristic instead of fewer larger fruit, because it spreads the risk - if you lose one it's not so big a deal.

I really liked the quality of IS this past summer. It wasn't lossy at all, pretty much a beautiful fruit with great taste.

Cole_Robbie · January 17, 2014

I haven't tried it, but Seedway has a variety called Black Velvet that looks like a commercialized Cherokee Purple: http://www.seedway.com/store/Pages/P....aspx?pid=5183

ContainerTed · January 17, 2014

One variety that I grow every year and that gives me lots of larger tomatoes and continues the harvest is African Queen. Another is Bulgarian Old Sort. Another is Faworyt. I could go on and on, but the common thread is my suggestions above is wonderful taste. You might also look at Krasnodar Titan - I grew it in an 18 gallon pot and got 15 to 20 fruits averaging about 8-10 oz. Again it's the taste.

From the Dwarf Project, look at Sweet Sue, Summer Sunrise, Rosella Purple, and Tennessee Suited. Emerald Giant is a great "Green When Ripe" that has the commercial size quality as well as an unexpected sweet taste.

barbamWY · January 17, 2014

Black Early produces earlier and with more fruits here in Wyoming. I got my seed from Baker Creek. I see it as available at Heritage Tomato Seed. "Black Early is a delicious medium sized black tomato. For us, Black Early wasn’t as early as Vorlon but was still an early, heavy producer.According to Ake Truedsson, who introduced this variety to SSE in 1998, this cultivar came from France." It tastes very much like Cherokee Purple.

simmran1 · January 17, 2014

More ideas for Bogaat,

From Andrew Still's Adaptive Seeds is supposedly an improvement:
http://www.adaptiveseeds.com/product/tomato-lila-sari

I can add that his Mavritanskite was my best dark tomato I grew back in '11. -R

**carolyn137** · January 17, 2014

I agree with the suggestion to grow Indian Stripe.

It's a version of Cherokee Purple and has slightly smaller fruits,more to the truss and slightly lighter in color.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...b=General_Info

If you click on seed availability at the top of the page above you'll see that many places list it which indicates its popularity.

Cherokee Purple was introduced by Craig LeHoullier in I think 1992 while I first was given the seeds for IS in I think 2003.

I also find it interesting that CP and IS both have PL versions and they both have heart versions.

Carolyn

bower · January 18, 2014

If you're growing year round, I would recommend Black Early for your colder season. I grew BE and Indian Stripe starting early in the cold this year. Black Early was sixteen days earlier in those conditions, and the early fruit were high quality with very minor catfacing on the blossom end of the first fruit and no defects of texture or taste which are common early in the season. By comparison, the first fruit of Indian Stripe was quite severely catfaced and ripened unevenly. However once the cold had passed and in summer growing temperatures, Black Early had more of a tendency to radial cracks on a regular basis, while Indian Stripe fruit were generally perfect except for that first one and one other that set in a cold spell. Both plants bore fine quality fruit in the fall.

The taste of Black Early was not the same as IS, although it is very good. I put it closer to the category of mild rich blacks, which are not tangy when fully ripe nor as sweet as CP, IS and Vorlon. Overall though an excellent cool weather black for me.

recruiterg · January 18, 2014

I think JD's Special C-Tex has more reliable fruit size and produces more than CP. In my opinion, the taste is good, but quite as good as CP.

ScottinAtlanta · January 18, 2014

I notice that Black Krim has dominated Atlanta's farmers markets in the last two years. Big, solid fruits that Atlanta buyers seem to adore.

January 17, 2014	#1
Bogaat Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 10	Cherokee Purple alternatives Ok all...I am a full time greenhouse tomato grower who specializes in heirlooms...and basically tomatoes that just plain taste good (not against hybrids). I am resisting many of the standard greenhouse hybrids despite higher yields and disease resistance. The chefs and market love many of the varieties I grow...including the Cherokee purples. However, I am not a big fan of their growth patterns or the number of lower quality fruit that are harvested. You get some nice big pretties...and then some that are just not marketable. Most of the other varieties I grow don't have that problem. Alternatives with comparable (or higher) yields, excellent taste and a similar color? I have grown Black Krim in the past, but never took data...was thinking about that one. Also, any other suggestions variety wise? I am growing them all hydroponically and pushing for a long "season". I grow year round and each row stays in for 35 weeks. Thanks in advance!

January 17, 2014	#2
Hermitian BANNED Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,112	To get good crops out of Cherokee Purple -- or almost all 1/2 pound and up size fruits, be sure your available Potash is in a 3:2 ratio with available Nitrogen; i.e., 3 parts available Potash to 2 parts available Nitrogen. Also, amortized across the growing season in the hydroponic environment you will want to use 1/4 pound available Nitrogen per plant. Now ... I understand that Cherokee Purple can be shall we say, grouchy? I have found that "Black From Tula" is a far more predictable cropper and has less of a heat requirement (in terms of degree-days) to maturity than Cherokee Purple. __________________ Richard _<\|\|>_

January 17, 2014	#5
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	One variety that I grow every year and that gives me lots of larger tomatoes and continues the harvest is African Queen. Another is Bulgarian Old Sort. Another is Faworyt. I could go on and on, but the common thread is my suggestions above is wonderful taste. You might also look at Krasnodar Titan - I grew it in an 18 gallon pot and got 15 to 20 fruits averaging about 8-10 oz. Again it's the taste. From the Dwarf Project, look at Sweet Sue, Summer Sunrise, Rosella Purple, and Tennessee Suited. Emerald Giant is a great "Green When Ripe" that has the commercial size quality as well as an unexpected sweet taste. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

January 17, 2014	#7
simmran1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Iowa Zone 5 Posts: 305	More ideas for Bogaat, From Andrew Still's Adaptive Seeds is supposedly an improvement: http://www.adaptiveseeds.com/product/tomato-lila-sari I can add that his Mavritanskite was my best dark tomato I grew back in '11. -R __________________ Tomatovillain

January 17, 2014	#8
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	I agree with the suggestion to grow Indian Stripe. It's a version of Cherokee Purple and has slightly smaller fruits,more to the truss and slightly lighter in color. http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...b=General_Info If you click on seed availability at the top of the page above you'll see that many places list it which indicates its popularity. Cherokee Purple was introduced by Craig LeHoullier in I think 1992 while I first was given the seeds for IS in I think 2003. I also find it interesting that CP and IS both have PL versions and they both have heart versions. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

January 17, 2014	#3
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	Indian Stripe has the same taste as CP in a slightly smaller fruit. Personally I like that characteristic instead of fewer larger fruit, because it spreads the risk - if you lose one it's not so big a deal. I really liked the quality of IS this past summer. It wasn't lossy at all, pretty much a beautiful fruit with great taste.

January 17, 2014	#4
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	I haven't tried it, but Seedway has a variety called Black Velvet that looks like a commercialized Cherokee Purple: http://www.seedway.com/store/Pages/P....aspx?pid=5183

January 17, 2014	#6
barbamWY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: North West Wyoming Posts: 466	Black Early produces earlier and with more fruits here in Wyoming. I got my seed from Baker Creek. I see it as available at Heritage Tomato Seed. "Black Early is a delicious medium sized black tomato. For us, Black Early wasn’t as early as Vorlon but was still an early, heavy producer.According to Ake Truedsson, who introduced this variety to SSE in 1998, this cultivar came from France." It tastes very much like Cherokee Purple.

January 18, 2014	#9
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	If you're growing year round, I would recommend Black Early for your colder season. I grew BE and Indian Stripe starting early in the cold this year. Black Early was sixteen days earlier in those conditions, and the early fruit were high quality with very minor catfacing on the blossom end of the first fruit and no defects of texture or taste which are common early in the season. By comparison, the first fruit of Indian Stripe was quite severely catfaced and ripened unevenly. However once the cold had passed and in summer growing temperatures, Black Early had more of a tendency to radial cracks on a regular basis, while Indian Stripe fruit were generally perfect except for that first one and one other that set in a cold spell. Both plants bore fine quality fruit in the fall. The taste of Black Early was not the same as IS, although it is very good. I put it closer to the category of mild rich blacks, which are not tangy when fully ripe nor as sweet as CP, IS and Vorlon. Overall though an excellent cool weather black for me.

January 18, 2014	#10
recruiterg Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edina, MN (Zone 4) Posts: 945	I think JD's Special C-Tex has more reliable fruit size and produces more than CP. In my opinion, the taste is good, but quite as good as CP.

January 18, 2014	#11
ScottinAtlanta Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 2,593	I notice that Black Krim has dominated Atlanta's farmers markets in the last two years. Big, solid fruits that Atlanta buyers seem to adore.