Crimson Cushion--Ponderosa

[brog]

Are they the same tomato? if not what is the difference?
Thanks Bill

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by brog

Are they the same tomato? if not what is the difference?
Thanks Bill

Ponderosa was introduced by the Henderson Seed Co in in 1891 as # 400 and a cash prize was offered for a suitable name. In 1892 it was named Ponderosa/

Ponderosa is pink.

Scarlet Ponderosa, sometimes called Red Ponderosa, is a selection from Ponderosa and is also called Crimson Cushion and was introduced by the Henderson Co in 1898.

Crimson Cushion is also known as the original Beefsteak variety or Red Beefsteak.

There is also a Yellow Ponderosa which is sometimes called Gold and sometimes Orange, which I've also grown.

So no, Ponderosa is not the same as Crimson Cusion, but Red Ponderosa is the same as Crimson Cushion.

[brog]

Thanks for the info. From your experience which has better production--taste--disease resistance. Is one recomended over the other for southern growers.
Bill

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by brog

Thanks for the info. From your experience which has better production--taste--disease resistance. Is one recomended over the other for southern growers.
Bill

Bill, which two are you asking about?

And disease tolerance against which diseases, remembnering that these are OP varieties from the late 1880's?

[brog]

Thanks Red Ponderosa(crimson cushion) vs Ponderosa(pink) Bill

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by brog

Thanks Red Ponderosa(crimson cushion) vs Ponderosa(pink) Bill

They are the same with respect to everything except color and Crimson Cushion/Red Ponderosa was just a selection of Ponderosa. As I remember taste was aboiuyt the same, as it should be. The only difference between a red and pink is the color of the epidermis with clear giving pink fruits and yellow giving red fruits.

I've grown Ponderosa but not Crimson Cushion and yield is about what you'd expect for large fruited varieties, not high but maybe moderate as grown by me in my area.

There are no disease tolerances bred into these early OP varieties and they like all other varieties both hybrid and OP would be susceptible to foliage diseases if those pathogens are in the area.

I have grown Wins All, which is a selection of Ponderosa which is also pink, fruits a bit smaller and smoother and more uniform, but yield higher.

[KKinAL]

I grew Ponderosa Red this year for the 1st time. The flavor was really good, but not very high yield & it had to be pulled up due to disease around August. If you have spare room, definetely worth growing. ( I got seeds from SSE)

[KKinAL]

I would add--- it didn't prove any less resistant to disease than most others I grew. It's so humid here, it seems like disease is a problem no matter what the variety. (I only have 4 ot of 21 plants that are still hanging around!)

[matereater]

Ponderosa is pink.

Carolyn, I grew a tom this year I believe was called Pink Ponderosa, is this the same you mentioned in your firtst post?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by matereater

Ponderosa is pink.

Carolyn, I grew a tom this year I believe was called Pink Ponderosa, is this the same you mentioned in your firtst post?

Steve, when one sees the variety name Ponderosa it means it is pink and the word pink doesn't need to be added to it.

It's no different with Brandywine, that is, seeing that name it's understood that it's pink and yet some folks still refer to it as Pink Brandywine.

So yes, I presume what you grew as Pink Ponderosa is Ponderosa.