Vintage Wine tomato

[daylilydude]

Can anyone that has grown these give some details on them? Flavor, production, anything will help?

[Tom Wagner]

Daylilydude,
I am responding to your question first with links on the web.

Can anyone that has grown these give some details on them? Flavor, production, anything will help?

I could easily give my own opinions that often border on narcissistic profundity, therefore I will offer the superficiality about Vintage Wine deriving from a cross-section of folks commenting on the web. Perhaps you can glean from these links some personal apriority before growing the variety. My level of experience with this variety is limited to the last 20 years, nevertheless, others may have experience more valuable to you.

Vintage Wine Tomato Seeds
Pink with gold-striped, pastel-hued, 1 lb. tomato with pronounced, elegant sweet delicious flavor. Tall potato-leaf plant producing lots of fruit. ...
store.tomatofest.com

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Heirloom Tomato Seeds List, Tomato Variety Database
The Vintage Wine is a recent introduction and is still rare in the tomato world. Fruits are brilliantly colored, with a bright red base and orange and ...
www.tradewindsfruit.com/tomato_seeds.htm

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Amishland Heirloom Striped and Yellow Tomato Seeds
VINTAGE WINE STRIPED TOMATO SCARCE- LIMITED QUANTITIES-ORDER EARLY! - This was the loveliest, showiest tomato I grew out this past season. ...
www.amishlandseeds.com/tomatoes_yellow.htm
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Vintage Wine Tomato (aka. Vintage Wine Striped)
Origin: Europe
Item #: TOM026
The Vintage Wine Tomato, also known as Vintage Wine Striped, is a brand new tomato of European origin that is only now starting to gain some real fame in the United States this year.
Vintage Wine is a lovely and very stunning multi colored tomato variety with a peculiar pastel hue. While most striped or multi colored tomatoes are a nuance between red and yellow, Vintage Wine tomatoes feature a very pale pink base color with radiant, jagged golden stripes. When cut, unlike other striped varieties which feature a multi colored interior, Vintage Wine features a rich tasting, mild flavored, pink interior. The tomatoes are produced on sturdy potato leaved vives and yield a tomato of beefsteak shape that reaches up to about one and a half pounds in size.
Indeterminate. Matures in 85 days.
Very rare, hence supplies are very limited!
www.vegetableseed.net/...tomato...tomato.../heirloom-bi-color-tomato-seeds.html -

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Heirloom Tomatoes - Varieties of Heirloom Tomatoes
Vintage Wine tomatoes have a mix of purple, red, and green in them--both in color and flavor. A bit of classic red flavor, mild and un-acidic green tomatoes, and earthy purple tomatoes all in one.
localfoods.about.com/od/summer/tp/HeirloomTomatoes.htm

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Secret Farm: A garden blog: Tomatoes! Archives
This is a Vintage Wine tomato. It's very pretty, but the first one we had was pretty mediocre in flavor I thought. I'm pretty picky though, so anyone else might think it was just fine. As far as growing it again next year - it has decent production and medium size, flavor is as I said, ok, but it kinda makes up for that by being pretty so, yes, I'll grow it again.
blogumentary.typepad.com/secretfarm/tomatoes/
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Vintage Wine Tomato | Dots Thots.com
Vintage Wine tomato and Black Brandywine tomato are two new heirloom trials for me. Some of the ones I have missed this year that were grand in past years ...


On the top left between Golden Pineapple and Aunt Gertie’s Gold is the finely striped Vintage Wine (which this season is one of my favorite tomatoes in taste).
dotsthots.com/tag/vintage-wine-tomato

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Selling tomatoes in the Big Apple - Catholic Online
Sep 25, 2008 ... Wee hour runs to New York on Route 78, the truck heavy with the scent of tomatoes named Vintage Wine, Isis Candy, Banana Legs and Purple ...
www.catholic.org/hf/home/story.php?id=29618


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Multi Colored Tomatoes - Heirloom Tomato Plants Organic Heirloom ...
Another wonderful variety from Tom Wagner, it is gorgeous to behold, .... Vintage Wine ($5.25) 85 days. A gorgeous deep pink tomato with golden streaks, ...

Vintage Wine($5.25) 85 days. A gorgeous deep pink tomato with golden streaks, Vintage Wine is a stunning, pastel hued, 1 lb. tomato with elaborate, elegant, sweet delicious flavors. Growing on tall potato-leaf plants, this very prolific and exquisite tomato is for the discerning tomato lover. Producing loads of scrumptious fruit, Vintage Wine will be a spectacular addition to your garden. Another fine selection from Tom Wagner.
heirloomtomatoplants.com/Multi-Colored%20Tomatoes.htm


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Tom Wagner

[Karamazovv]

There is my 2009's Vintage wine:




Good productive and good taste!
And she's very beautiful

[Tom Wagner]

Thanks for the photo and flavor comment.

One of my cooperators near Ridgefield, WA grows Vintage Wine next to the Pink Brandywines and has good luck with both, but VW has a bit more yield and is earlier. I have been collecting the seed from VW in my travels just to see how the variety is changing.

Kaz, if you were in attendance at any of my workshops all over France this past September, you may have seen my PowerPoint presentations showing, in part, how I am breeding out the catfacing/zippering weakness that VW shares with Brandywine. I was showing the breeding progress with photos of a three way cross of (Ananas Noire X Green Zebra) X Vintage Wine as a prototype of how much more beautiful the fruits are. That three way cross needs to be stabilized for potato leaf and a few other traits but that should not take long.

Another workshop photo was showing how I took the catface resistance from Banana Legs through a series of crosses, including VW to get a tiny recessed flower scar. Yet another photo was taking Rose de Berne and VW to an enhanced flavor level and with catfacing resistance as well.

While I was in a backyard greenhouse in Landeleau, France, my hosts and translator were remarking in French that one of my numbered hybrids had a delightful wine-like flavor. When this conversation was translated to English, I busted out laughing! One of the parents of this hybrid was of all things--Vintage Wine!

Tom Wagner

[travis]

A couple of questions.

What is Vintage Wine's relationship to Brandy Stripe?

What is the other original parent of Vintage Wine, assuming one parent was Brandywine?

[Karamazovv]

No i didn't see you presentation.. i heard you come to france in haverskerque's festival and other.
I'm agree VW is most erlier and more productive than Brandywine..and the taste and the colour of VW is very surprenant..Pinkly out and dark red in..

So, why C.Lemaire (ventmarin) says VW come from Holland? Is your creation Tom no?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by travis

A couple of questions.

What is Vintage Wine's relationship to Brandy Stripe?

What is the other original parent of Vintage Wine, assuming one parent was Brandywine?

Same question I was going to ask Travis.

Tom, what did you call Vintage Wine before it was named Vintage Wine?

And are you absolutely certain that apparently Sahin or someone who named it VW is exactly the same as something you sent him without any extra crossing being done?

You might remember that in the 90's I trialed for you both RL and angora Brandystripe, but I don't see anything of those that have come through genetically with what's now called Vintage Wine according to the pictures I've seen. But of course I don't know what else as a parent(s) was/were used to develop the OP known as VW.

[Tom Wagner]

What is Vintage Wine's relationship to Brandy Stripe?

What is the other original parent of Vintage Wine, assuming one parent was Brandywine?

Both Brandy Stripe and Vintage Wine are of the same breeding background, about 6 varieties in a composite and I believe were from a single F-3 plant. The selection work continued with woolly types generally being called Brandy Stripe. The potato and non potato leaf types were in a sub set generation increase.

So, why C.Lemaire (ventmarin) says VW come from Holland? Is your creation Tom no?

One reason Christian Lemaire would say this is that it is true. However, Green Sausage, Cream Sausage, Vintage Wine, Stripe Stuffer and a few others in the list below by Sahin Zaden were out of my collections I sent to Holland in 1996. In fact, I was contacted since by visit in Holland in 1996 for the next year or two that Mr. Sahin or Michael, his assistant renamed them. One grower in England even sent me pictures of the increase of tomatoes from the Vintage Wine just before they were listed as a newly discoved Heirloom tomato variety!

LYCOPERSICUM esculentum (Tomato)Solanaceae


Container tomatoes
LY-2015'Tiny Tommy' tiny plants with an abundance of small red fruits above the leaves
LY-2020'Micro Cherry' (SAHIN 2008) unique ground cover tomato with an abundance of small red fruits

Determinate 'Roma' Tomatoes

LY-3115'Cream Sausage' elongated, creamy white sausage-like fruits, productive
LY-3125'Green Sausage' elongated, green sausage-like fruits developing yellow stripes, green inside

Indeterminate beefsteak tomatoes

LY-3535'Pink Brandywine Improved' large deep pink beefsteak, good flavour, healthy potato-leaved plants

LY-3565'Vintage Wine' (SAHIN 1998) unique pale pink fruits with golden stripes, potato-leaved

Indeterminate cherry tomatoes

LY-3710'Brown Berry' (SAHIN 2001) unusual brownish cherry-fruits, good flavour
LY-3725'Christmas Grapes' bunches of grape-like fruit, turning bright scarlet, superb taste, very productive
LY-3765'Orange Berry' (SAHIN 1999) pale green cherries on long trusses turn bright orange
Indeterminate round tomatoes
LY-3910'Bloody Butcher' medium round red tomato, dark red inside, with strong flavour, early
LY-3965'Red Zebra Improved' (SAHIN 1999) fire engine red fruits overlaid with golden yellow stripes
LY-3975'Tangella' AGM, bright orange medium round fruit, variant of 'Ailsa Craig', very tasty and showy

Miscellaneous indeterminate varieties
LY-3825'Lemon Tree' fruits reminiscent of a lemon in both shape and colour, with distinct sharp taste

LY-3875'Striped Stuffer' bell-pepper-like with golden orange striped red fruits, suitable for stuffing, unique

Even Mr. Lemaire may acquiesce to my claim. Most in Europe now do. I can't remember if I met him or not at Haverskerque. Is he in one of the pictures below?
http://tomodori.com/5actualites/Tom_..._en_France.htm (In French) sorry

Tom, what did you call Vintage Wine before it was named Vintage Wine?

And are you absolutely certain that apparently Sahin or someone who named it VW is exactly the same as something you sent him without any extra crossing being done?

You might remember that in the 90's I trialed for you both RL and angora Brandystripe, but I don't see anything of those that have come through genetically with what's now called Vintage Wine according to the pictures I've seen. But of course I don't know what else as a parent(s) was/were used to develop the OP known as VW.

I am convinced without a shadow of doubt that Brandy Stripe and Vintage Wine are of the same continuity. Kees Sahin and Michael personally told me that they did not do any breeding in tomatoes, just collecting them from around the world. They had 1200 varieties in that Greenhouse I visited in 1996 where my 40 varieties were being grown out. The biggest show and tell day (Open House) had me there talking about my tomatoes standing by them and visiting with interested parties from all over Europe. My varieties were the most visited area.

As I recall I sent Sahin a non woolly potato leaf version that I did not send to Carolyn Male at the same time. The woolly version apparently was not selected further by Sahin. Years later I grew out some seedlings from the very envelop that held the sample of seed sent to Holland and they were identical to a Vintage Wine plant growing in the Napa Valley, California a few years after Sahin released them.

Tom Wagner

[Karamazovv]

Thank's for the precision Tom
No, C.Lemaire, it's this guy (left)

[carolyn137]

As I recall I sent Sahin a non woolly potato leaf version that I did not send to Carolyn Male at the same time. The woolly version apparently was not selected further by Sahin. Years later I grew out some seedlings from the very envelop that held the sample of seed sent to Holland and they were identical to a Vintage Wine plant growing in the Napa Valley, California a few years after Sahin released them.

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Tom, I was wrong when I wrote above that you sent two Brandystripes and one was RL and the other was whatever I said.

What you sent were two Brandystripes, one was PL and the other was also PL, but angora ( wooly as you call it) It's been so long since I grew those out that my ASAP memory was bad.

I remember the PL non-wooly best b'c I'd never seen a fruit color like that. AS you know there were very distinct stripes of the same width on the fruit and the colors of those stripes were in all colors such as red, yellow, pink, etc. it was as though someone took some crayons and actually made those distinct stripes.

In just the one growout of the PL wooly the plants didn't do as well as their non-wooly sisters in terms of plant vigor and the striping on the fruits was not as distinct, more muddled actually.

I did grow all 22 you sent me in the same year so I could make direct comparisons between them.

[instar8]

Cool! I didn't know VW was yours, Tom, i picked it out from Tomatofest to round out that min $15 order, such a hardship! ;~) Good to know it's prolly a keeper!