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Old February 14, 2010   #1
cortona
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Default growing for size: big ones...and fused/multiple flower trait!

Dear all
i'm starting some seeds inside to have the possibility to grown some realy gig ones for present it at a fair near my town
i have recived some big zac seeds from an american friend and looking around on the net the important trait that made this variety the most important one for competition are the possibility to produce fused/multiple blooms!
in your opinion/experience exist other tomatoes that have this trait ?
wath are the variety that grown the bigest one for you?
i have church seeds in my "germination chamber!lol but some guy around here are reporting a terrible, awful taste....and i dont want tomatoes that are not at least edible!
thanks for your patience and attention
Emanuele
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Old February 14, 2010   #2
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Note that when growing for size contests, people may redirect
an entire plant's resources into one or a few fruit, trimming off
all side branches, trimming fruit clusters down to one fruit
per cluster, and only allowing a few fruit clusters on the plant.

Here are some other large-fruited cultivars to try:

Sylvan Gaume:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Sylvan_Gaume

Barnes Mountain Yellow:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B...ountain_Yellow

Black Mountain Pink:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Black_Mountain_Pink

Guido:
http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Guido

Lots of varieties have fused flowers that produce double
and triple fruits. The most prolific producer of "marigold like"
tomato flowers that I have seen was a small plant that
produced mid-sized heart shaped fruit, Bychiy Glaz. Double
fruits that it produced were not larger than an average big
beefsteak or heart shaped fruit on a plant where the average
size of fruit from single flowers is around 1 lb.
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Old February 15, 2010   #3
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thanks for your kind suggestion! i wil try to find some seeds!realy impressive the first and the last!
and i'm realy interessad to find seeds of the variety you tel me is realy prolific in fused bloom:Bychiy Glaz
i want to try to bredd this trait in a large unibloomer variety that i like a lot!
have you any information on how to find this seeds?
Best wishes
Emanuele
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Old February 16, 2010   #4
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I don't have my notes with me, but I do recall that Lilac Giant tended to have fused blossoms. I've had several other varieties do it over the years, but I don't recall which. If you do a google search on fused tomato blossoms you might find something.

Big Zac is a good choice. It throws out big ones. I've had several 2 pounders (1 kilo) and heavier over the years. But, with Big Zac, in my garden, to get the big ones the best approach is to pinch suckers and pick the biggest from one of the first few trusses. In other words when you sense that one of the tomatoes on one of the first few clusters/trusses (generally the second truss) is going to be a big one remove the other (green) tomatoes from the cluster.

Other varieties throw out big ones with little or no work. For instance I had two Aker's WV of greater than 2 lbs. each on one plant last year. The only thing I did was pinch suckers up to the first cluster. A lot of the old beefsteak type varieties will throw out big ones. A couple that come to mind are Brimmer and Brandywine. I've gotten 2 pounders from each of those varieties. Omar's Lebanese throws out some nice big ones. Neves Azorean Red is another and there are many more.

I guess I should mention that on my scale a tomato isn't big unless it is 2 pounds or greater (i.e. greater that one kilogram).

Good luck.

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Old February 16, 2010   #5
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Dear Randy
i thanks you for your sugestion on fused blooms variety i know the triks to let grown big zak to monster size and i have my contender for big size (i had pic some over 3 pound in a kilo della garfagnana in a good year) but immagine wath we can do passing the fused flowes genetic in a variety like this? if you find the right blossom whit 3 /4/5 pistills we can ended wit a beast like the current hoio 7.18 lb recor from the harp family!!!!! if the normal size of a non fused big zac is around 1lb immagine wit a bounch of fused kilo della garfagnana that usualy give me tomato around 2 lb?
is just a dream but with a bit of patience and a hint of luck...al can be!
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