newbie question: indeterminate dwarf tomato

[pinakbet]

Tomato experts,

Pardon my ignorance again..

Just want to know if there is a indeterminate dwarf tomato cultivar? one that you can grow in container and is easy to contain.

thanks

[Stepheninky]

Hopefully someone that does container gardening will chime in but to my understanding some seed catalogs have a category called indeterminate Dwarf also sometimes called Indeterminate Short-Internodes. They are not really dwarf in the true sense as they will still grow to be about 4-5 ft tall. If you see bush in the name and they are indeterminate its possible that its one of these types. Basically they are just smaller compact varieties. "Bush Goliath", "Bush Early Girl", "Better Bush", "Better Bush Improved" , "Husky Red", and "Heartland" are a few in this category.

Hope that helps and maybe someone that does container gardening will reply.

[Tania]

I grow all my indeterminate dwarfs (=tree-type) in 5 gal containers, and they do very well. Some get to 5' tall, and some stay below 3'.

I do not have a separate list of indet. dwarfs, but here is a list of tomatoes that are suitable for container growing: http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/C...atoes_by_Color

Tania

[travis]

The original dwarf (supposedly the tomato De Laye, often called Tree tomato, origining about 1862 in a garden at Chateau de Laye, France), was indeterminate as are many dwarf varieties today. There also are determinate dwarf varieties, I supposed developed over the years by crossing the Tree tomato genes into determinate variety tomatoes and selecting for determinate dwarf.

I did not know Bush Early Girl is a dwarf. Have to check that one out.

[Stepheninky]

Originally Posted by travis

The original dwarf was indeterminate as are many dwarf varieties today.

I did not know Bush Early Girl is a dwarf. Have to check that one out.

Taken from Burpee catalog : A true bush-type plant, Bush Early Girl is perfect for large patio pots – amazingly compact yet productive. Growing only 18 in. (45 cm) tall, this plant produces tasty red fruits measuring almost 4 in. (10 cm) across. These tomatoes need at least one inch (2.5 cm) of water per week and prefer six hours or more of direct sun each day.

[travis]

Originally Posted by Stepheninky

Taken from Burpee catalog: A true bush-type plant, Bush Early Girl is perfect for large patio pots – amazingly compact yet productive. Growing only 18 in. (45 cm) tall ...

Okay, if Bush Early Girl has rugose leaves, then I'd say it's a determinate dwarf. If not then simply a bush determinate. However, in either case, I wouldn't take a word printed in a Burpee catalog as being in the least reliable.

[Stepheninky]

Originally Posted by travis

Okay, if Bush Early Girl has rugose leaves, then I'd say it's a determinate dwarf. If not then simply a bush determinate. However, in either case, I wouldn't take a word printed in a Burpee catalog as being in the least reliable.

Most definitely agree that could be the case, on Burpee site it does not specify it. Though I believe Bonnie list it as indeterminate on their site.

[travis]

Here is a picture reported to be Bush Early Girl if anyone wants to make a call as to tree type rugose dwarf foliage.

http://www.wyogrow.com/ART/BushEarlyGirl2007.jpg

To me it looks like a typical short determinate bush tomato with regular leaves.

[TZ-OH6]

New Big dwarf is an indeterminant, good tasting pink dwarf.

[Gobig_or_Gohome_toms]

Originally Posted by TZ-OH6

New Big dwarf is an indeterminant, good tasting pink dwarf.

I agree grew it 2 years in a row did not grow it this year but it will be back next year.

Craig

[Lee]

Check out the dwarf tomato project threads in the Crosstalk
section.
Many, many new dwarf indeterminate varieties of all colors have been created (some from New Big Dwarf) that far surpass
any older varieties for taste and productivity.
Some of these even surpass the best heirloom/OP varieties
for those same characteristics.
You can't find one much better than Summertime Gold, and
18 oz. ain't too bad for a 4' tall plant!

Lee

[Stepheninky]

Originally Posted by Lee

Check out the dwarf tomato project threads in the Crosstalk
section.
Many, many new dwarf indeterminate varieties of all colors have been created (some from New Big Dwarf) that far surpass
any older varieties for taste and productivity.
Some of these even surpass the best heirloom/OP varieties
for those same characteristics.
You can't find one much better than Summertime Gold, and
18 oz. ain't too bad for a 4' tall plant!

Lee

I have read a lot in the dwarf project and very interested when the first seeds will be available for trade or purchase ? What is the highest F# to date?

[pinakbet]

thanks for all the info, guys/gals.

[dice]

I had a good demonstration of the differences between
tree-type indeterminate (the original) and a tree-type
determinate, all with rugose leaves and thick stems, this year.
Side by side I had a Myth (determinate), a Russian Red
(indeterminate), and a Coastal Pride Orange (so far
indeterminate). Sticking out of the top of the cage around
the Myth plant there was a branch with a flower cluster growing
at the very end of it. No branch at all growing beyond that
cluster, the growing tip had completely disappeared.

On the Russian Red and Coastal Pride Orange plants, those
branches all end in growing tips, with flower clusters below
there, off the side of the branch, like the Myth plant had
lower down on its branches.

(Coastal Pride Orange is actually a bigger plant than Myth,
Demidov, Russian Red, Lime Green Salad, and Siberian,
other rugose leaved, tree-type plants that I have grown.
It is around a foot taller than the nearby Myth and Russian Red
plants now. In some ways this is good, more leaves for
photosynthesis, but it ripens fruit a bit later than any of
those, and at the moment one is shading a shorter
Moravsky Div to the north of it. Oh well.)