Csikös Bötermö??

lumierefrere · September 5, 2010

A big wind messed my labels up in June I wrote it down somewhere but who knows. I can identify everything I've grown before (I think) but I have 2 new to me varieties-- one is Csikos Botermo and the other is Brad Gates' Sweet Carneros Pink. Can anyone tell me if the description of red means the red/orange and the pink I should think of as having blue in the color? Because otherwise the descriptions are very similar (gold stripes, size etc) and I can't tell from the photos I only have 1 plant it's a choice between those two and I think it's the Csikos which has been earlier than everything else if you want to call the last week in August early. But I'd like to make sure

Barb

**carolyn137** · September 5, 2010

Barb, I don't know either one but it seems to me if you check the epidermis colors that might help b'c if one of them truly is red as part of the exterior color the epidermis color will be yellow and of one of them truly has pink as part of the color the epidermis should be clear.

I'd use controls of a known all red and an all pink as controls.

And here's a memory question for you. I'm pretty sure it was you who got some seeds for High Crimson from me a few years back and I wonder if you ever grew it out and if you now have seeds. I'm asking b'c someone here is looking for varieties with the crimson gene which High Crimson does have.

frogsleap farm · September 6, 2010

Sweet Carneros fruit is twice the size, and pink with very faint stripes when ripe. Csikos has smaller fruit and more red/orange than pink. I grew both in different years, but other than the fact they are both striped - not very similar.

lumierefrere · September 6, 2010

Thank you, Frogs. Size seems to be a good distinction. I'll go with the Csikos as this is very saladette size.

Carolyn, I don't remember ever hearing the two words High and Crimson together, so no I don't think I ever received those seeds. However, if I did, I never started them .

As for the epidermis, thank you, yes, that's how I was trying to distinguish them. In the photos they look very similar but you can't really trust a camera or a monitor to serve up a really accurate representation. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. This tomato definitely is red rather than pink.

This has been another disappointing year, I've had 1 Stupicke. However, I lavishly sprayed with Daconil (whatever it's called now) and noticed the man down the road has already lost his entire patch to late blight but I'm fine here. So thank you for making me aware of this product.

Barb

GunnarSK · September 7, 2010

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Originally Posted by lumierefrere

This has been another disappointing year, I've had 1 Stupicke. However, I lavishly sprayed with Daconil (whatever it's called now) and noticed the man down the road has already lost his entire patch to late blight but I'm fine here. So thank you for making me aware of this product. Barb

Stupicke may be the original Czech spelling, as the closest CV I have encountered from the Czech Republic is Stupicke polni tyckove rane (early indeteminate ground tomato from Stupice) Of course this is not relevant, if you are of (partially) Czech descent.

**carolyn137** · September 7, 2010

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Originally Posted by GunnarSK

Stupicke may be the original Czech spelling, as the closest CV I have encountered from the Czech Republic is Stupicke polni tyckove rane (early indeteminate ground tomato from Stupice) Of course this is not relevant, if you are of (partially) Czech descent.

Gunnar, I don't know if I ever posted this here at Tville but about 10 years ago there was a cooperative effort of several of us to contact the Breeding station in the Czech Republic where Stupice was bred to see if we could find out who the breeder was.

Contact with a woman there was finally accomplished and she checked what records she had and could not tell us who the breeder was, so that will remain unknown.

But there are four Stupikes that were bred, two for outside growing and two for glass house growing. I have all the names in my faves somewhere and the one you mention is one of them.

I can't remember who sent me one of the ones for outside growing, it was a commercial seed pack, and it was identical to the Stupice that I'd always known.

lumierefrere · September 7, 2010

I got my Stupicke from Sweden and that's how it was labeled so I stuck with that. I did get the 4 variations from Keith a couple years back but I never got around to growing them out.

Since I work with language I think it's easier to remember how to pronounce it when looks more like how it sounds.

I'm not Czech descent. Ukrainian+Lithuanian=100% American.

GunnarSK · September 7, 2010

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Originally Posted by lumierefrere

I got my Stupicke from Sweden and that's how it was labeled so I stuck with that. I did get the 4 variations from Keith a couple years back but I never got around to growing them out.

Since I work with language I think it's easier to remember how to pronounce it when looks more like how it sounds.

I'm not Czech descent. Ukrainian+Lithuanian=100% American.

Apart from the one that we mostly know as Stupice (Stupické polní rané), there's also a Stupické skleníkové (greenhouse tomato from Stupice), so that two varieties are commercially available in the Czech Republic.
I think I saw Carolyn's explanation before, and if it wasn't here, it was probably on Idig, where I am most.

September 5, 2010	#1
lumierefrere Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 4 NY Posts: 772	Csikös Bötermö?? A big wind messed my labels up in June I wrote it down somewhere but who knows. I can identify everything I've grown before (I think) but I have 2 new to me varieties-- one is Csikos Botermo and the other is Brad Gates' Sweet Carneros Pink. Can anyone tell me if the description of red means the red/orange and the pink I should think of as having blue in the color? Because otherwise the descriptions are very similar (gold stripes, size etc) and I can't tell from the photos I only have 1 plant it's a choice between those two and I think it's the Csikos which has been earlier than everything else if you want to call the last week in August early. But I'd like to make sure Barb

September 5, 2010	#2
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Barb, I don't know either one but it seems to me if you check the epidermis colors that might help b'c if one of them truly is red as part of the exterior color the epidermis color will be yellow and of one of them truly has pink as part of the color the epidermis should be clear. I'd use controls of a known all red and an all pink as controls. And here's a memory question for you. I'm pretty sure it was you who got some seeds for High Crimson from me a few years back and I wonder if you ever grew it out and if you now have seeds. I'm asking b'c someone here is looking for varieties with the crimson gene which High Crimson does have. __________________ Carolyn

September 6, 2010	#3
frogsleap farm Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 568	Sweet Carneros fruit is twice the size, and pink with very faint stripes when ripe. Csikos has smaller fruit and more red/orange than pink. I grew both in different years, but other than the fact they are both striped - not very similar.

September 7, 2010	#7
lumierefrere Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 4 NY Posts: 772	I got my Stupicke from Sweden and that's how it was labeled so I stuck with that. I did get the 4 variations from Keith a couple years back but I never got around to growing them out. Since I work with language I think it's easier to remember how to pronounce it when looks more like how it sounds. I'm not Czech descent. Ukrainian+Lithuanian=100% American.