I'm so organic I'm disgusting

ronsmith100 · May 8, 2011

Kid kid

But I have made this sane attempt to cast out the demons of chemicals and hopefully someday I'll be blessed by the gods of goodness and health. So I use no pest control at all save some (organic) lemon/pepper spray and my own (organic) hands to remove (organic) cut worms and feed them to the (organic) ravens circling overhead who are religiously attempting to avoid eating anything from a garden that has a white (inorganic) Ortho spray bottle lying around.

Still

what's really wrong with a bit of store bought sodium nitrate liquid and stuff? I mean... I mean.

RayR · May 8, 2011

Ron, it sounds like your falling off the wagon, don't do it Ron! Don't go back on the Nitrate Salts bottle. The only reason the chemical companies started hawking the stuff is that they figured in between wars where they could sell the stuff by the train load to munitions makers, they could make addicts out of farmers and gardeners everywhere selling it as fertilizer. It's worse than heroin!

Listen to the birds Ron!

reubenT · May 13, 2011

well; nitrogen is the only one I use anymore, because agriculture science based on microbial studies tells me it's OK if used properly. Once I can figure out how to get the microbes healthy enough to pull enough nitrogen out of the air I will stop using the synth stuff.
I use some calcium nitrate in soluble seedling mixes, ammonia nitrate on the ground preplant, some ammonia sulfate side dress when fruit starts to set. With the right amount of carbon and calcium on the soil they work fine and do not cause too many dead soil microbes.
They say if yer soluble calcium isn't at least 2000 lb per acre you might as well not use ammonia nitrate. wastin yer money. And plenty of carbon in there will trap the nitrogen and feed it to the plants as needed. Instead of letting the rain carry it away. That's where the big farmers fall down on the job.

A test was done with urea, by mixing it with humate, and then a comparison test done with an organic source nitrogen, absolutely no difference was found in microbe life, soil health, plant preference, etc.

May 8, 2011	#1
ronsmith100 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Southern Utah Posts: 26	I'm so organic I'm disgusting Kid kid But I have made this sane attempt to cast out the demons of chemicals and hopefully someday I'll be blessed by the gods of goodness and health. So I use no pest control at all save some (organic) lemon/pepper spray and my own (organic) hands to remove (organic) cut worms and feed them to the (organic) ravens circling overhead who are religiously attempting to avoid eating anything from a garden that has a white (inorganic) Ortho spray bottle lying around. Still what's really wrong with a bit of store bought sodium nitrate liquid and stuff? I mean... I mean.

May 13, 2011	#3
reubenT Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Spencer TN Posts: 12	well; nitrogen is the only one I use anymore, because agriculture science based on microbial studies tells me it's OK if used properly. Once I can figure out how to get the microbes healthy enough to pull enough nitrogen out of the air I will stop using the synth stuff. I use some calcium nitrate in soluble seedling mixes, ammonia nitrate on the ground preplant, some ammonia sulfate side dress when fruit starts to set. With the right amount of carbon and calcium on the soil they work fine and do not cause too many dead soil microbes. They say if yer soluble calcium isn't at least 2000 lb per acre you might as well not use ammonia nitrate. wastin yer money. And plenty of carbon in there will trap the nitrogen and feed it to the plants as needed. Instead of letting the rain carry it away. That's where the big farmers fall down on the job. A test was done with urea, by mixing it with humate, and then a comparison test done with an organic source nitrogen, absolutely no difference was found in microbe life, soil health, plant preference, etc. Last edited by reubenT; May 13, 2011 at 01:41 AM.

May 8, 2011	#2
RayR Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Cheektowaga, NY Posts: 2,466	Ron, it sounds like your falling off the wagon, don't do it Ron! Don't go back on the Nitrate Salts bottle. The only reason the chemical companies started hawking the stuff is that they figured in between wars where they could sell the stuff by the train load to munitions makers, they could make addicts out of farmers and gardeners everywhere selling it as fertilizer. It's worse than heroin! Listen to the birds Ron!