Looking for suggestions for next years crops Carolyn waiting for

SharonRossy · August 14, 2012

Hi Carolyn, I joined too many forums! I definitely want suggestions. I am not going to grow any more paste tomatoes. I find them too wimpy for me and I don't have good luck.
Really, I am still so new to this. I would love a beefsteak, something early. Someone recommended Sioux? I love a juicy, tart tomato, color doesn't matter. What do you think of Black Krim? My son is growing it and loves it. I'm not a fan of Brandywine. Too mealy for me. I'm hoping gold medal works if the squirrels don't destroy it. In the cherries, I have great results with Sungold yellow (don't know which one), black cherry. I am growing GZ and might actually get some decent ones. Also Tigerella which is too soon to tell. And of course, my Japanese black trifele. Not sure if I overwatered. It's pretty juicy but it seems to get really soft fast which I guess happens with the black varieties.
Is there a benefit to Pl vs Rl? Speaking of which the JBT is showing some purple on the outer edges of the older leaves.
How's that so far? I'm just really starting to learn I need a mentor, if you feel like taking me on, step by step. I'm going to order your book and have it sent to family in the US. They don't ship to Canada,
Sorry for all the confusion. Too many forums then I forget which thread I answered in which forum. Make any sense? Can we have our own one going? I'm happy to share, just as long as I dont have to figure out where I posted lol!
Thanks a million. Sharon

**carolyn137** · August 14, 2012

I hear you Sharon, but not tonight since there's a bad T-storm line heading my way and I'm not sticking around here that much longer.

Besides, I have to write down what I'm going to suggest for you which may be a surprise to you. Fact is I had a really great friend who grew any variety he wanted to in a garden just outside Montreal. His name is Raymond Tratt and he and his wife kept sayng they were going to drive down here to visit but it didn't happen. Last I knew his wife was having multiple health problems and the waiting time for surgery was long indeed.

Raymond once sent me a half gallon of maple syrup but I don't think he realized that my area of upstate NY has LOTS of maple syrup producers and I have several friends who do syrup. My brother and family moved to NC a few years ago and when he comes up here he'll say get me 10 pints from Howard, and I do, assuming my brother will pay me back, and he does, eventually.

SharonRossy · August 15, 2012

Hope your okay. Don't know Raymond, but my husband loves maple syrup!
Take care and I wait to hear from you!
Sharon

Worth1 · August 15, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Raymond once sent me a half gallon of maple syrup but I don't think he realized that my area of upstate NY has LOTS of maple syrup producers and I have several friends who do syrup. My brother and family moved to NC a few years ago and when he comes up here he'll say get me 10 pints from Howard, and I do, assuming my brother will pay me back, and he does, eventually.

What on earth do you do with all of that maple syrup?

I have a little bottle of some very dark homemade syrup from Maine that a lady gave me.
I love the stuff.
It has sort of a woody after taste you dont get from the syrup in the stores here.

Worth

FILMNET · August 15, 2012

It has sort of a woody after taste you dont get from the syrup in the stores here.

That because the syrup in stores has .001% of original from the trees. The home made ones here are about 5-10% very strong taste.

NGGrant · August 15, 2012

That's why I buy grade B dark amber, much better flavor.

Worth1 · August 15, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by NGGrant

That's why I buy grade B dark amber, much better flavor.

I do too.

Worth

Mudman · August 15, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worth1

What on earth do you do with all of that maple syrup?

Worth

Pancakes, waffles, french toast, shots...

**carolyn137** · August 17, 2012

Sharon, first, while you directed this thread to me I'm sure that you'd accept the suggestions of others as well but I tried to keep my lists brief for the reasons given below. And additional suggestions may well keep you wondering about what to get, but that's not all that uncommon either.

Second, I did this list off the top of my head and since you're relatively new at growing tomatoes I selected varieties that I think are ones that many have grown and they've worked out very well for many, and ones I think you might consider. You'll see that I don't always list the latest and newest b'c I believe that folks new to heirlooms should first grow a stable of varieties, if you will, to give a basis for comparing new ones to be grown at a later time.

I could easily list 10-20 varieties for most categories, but if I give that many it just makes it more difficult to make decisions. And if you don't know the varieties please go to Tania's website where I think all of them have a page with seed sources, pictures and more.

Large Reds

Neves Azorean Red
Red Penna
Cuostralee
Chapman
Red Barn

Smaller Reds

Druzba
Red Brandywine
Break O Day
Box Car Willie

Large Pinks

Large Pink Bulgarian
Hoy
Terhune
Omar's Lebanese
Dester ( seeds not yet sold commercially, but keep it in mind)
Aunt Ginny's Purple

Smaller Pinks

Eva Purple Ball
Pervaya Lyubov
Sandul Moldovan
Crnkovic Yugoslavian

Green When Ripes ( large)

Cherokee Green
Green Giant
Malachite Box
Emereld Evergreen or Charlies Green or Dorothy's Green

Orange ( large)

Orange Minsk
Kellogg's Breakfast
KBX

Smaller oranges

Earl of Edgecombe
Jaune Flammee

Golds

Aunt Gertie's Gold
Maiden's Gold
Dixie Golden Giant

White

White Queen

Hearts

Kosovo,pink
German Red Strawberry
Fish Lake oxheart, red
Indiana Red
Linnie's Oxheart, red
Nicky Crain,pink
Brad's Black Heart( derived from Black Krim)

Cherries

Chadwick's cherry, aka Camp Joy, red
Gardener's Delight, red
Green Doctors, green when ripe
Verde Claro, ditto
Dr. Carolyn,ivory to pale yellow
Snow White, ditto
Pink Ping Pong or Dr. Carolyn Pink
Casino Chips, red
Galina,gold
Black Cherry
Kazachka, black

Blacks

Cherokee Purple
Indian Stripe
Black from Tula
Black Krim
Carbon

SharonRossy · August 17, 2012

That's just off the top of your head? Amazing. Thanks so much. You've given me a lot to look at and consider. And not to worry, I'll continue to drive u crazy with questions

.thats what happens when you're so knowledgable. My son is going to love this. I'm ordering your book and having it sent to a brother in Syracuse.
It's cool that so many of us are on different forums. We've all been bitten by the bug! Like I posted on another one,I'm just learning, PL , RL. Didn't really know anything one way or another.
All I know is I have a bunch of "volunteer" plants growing, cherries, but still don't know which ones the are. One is really large, tons of fruit, and I'm pretty sure it's a black cherry. But if all works well with Gold Medal I might save seeds.
Thanks a million. How did the tennis work out?
Sharon

rsg2001 · August 18, 2012

Speaking of Northeast Maple Syrup. I always buy my supply in the fall when I go to New Paltz for Labor Day Weekend. And Grade B Dark Amber is also my favorite. There is just nothing like it. (Now, I'm making a gratuitous mention of tomatoes just to keep it relevant, LOL. Still enjoyin' em like crazy.)

SharonRossy · August 27, 2012

So Carolyn, just to follow up, here's what I have ordered from Tatiana to date:

Black from Tula
Aunt Gerties Gold
Kellogg's Breakfast
Druzba
Red Penna
Orange Strawberry
Iditarod Red
Anna Russian
Gold Nugget
Brandywine Sudduth(altho I'm not sure why I ordered this one)
Black Russian
Bloody Butcher

and from another source, Cuore di Bue and Cuore di Toro.

Tatiana is going to let me know if she can get German Red Strawberry and Tasmanian Chocolate.

On another note, if I can grow or do anything to help you please let me know.
Thank you so much.
Sharon

August 14, 2012	#1
SharonRossy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,140	Looking for suggestions for next years crops Carolyn waiting for Hi Carolyn, I joined too many forums! I definitely want suggestions. I am not going to grow any more paste tomatoes. I find them too wimpy for me and I don't have good luck. Really, I am still so new to this. I would love a beefsteak, something early. Someone recommended Sioux? I love a juicy, tart tomato, color doesn't matter. What do you think of Black Krim? My son is growing it and loves it. I'm not a fan of Brandywine. Too mealy for me. I'm hoping gold medal works if the squirrels don't destroy it. In the cherries, I have great results with Sungold yellow (don't know which one), black cherry. I am growing GZ and might actually get some decent ones. Also Tigerella which is too soon to tell. And of course, my Japanese black trifele. Not sure if I overwatered. It's pretty juicy but it seems to get really soft fast which I guess happens with the black varieties. Is there a benefit to Pl vs Rl? Speaking of which the JBT is showing some purple on the outer edges of the older leaves. How's that so far? I'm just really starting to learn I need a mentor, if you feel like taking me on, step by step. I'm going to order your book and have it sent to family in the US. They don't ship to Canada, Sorry for all the confusion. Too many forums then I forget which thread I answered in which forum. Make any sense? Can we have our own one going? I'm happy to share, just as long as I dont have to figure out where I posted lol! Thanks a million. Sharon

August 14, 2012	#2
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	I hear you Sharon, but not tonight since there's a bad T-storm line heading my way and I'm not sticking around here that much longer. Besides, I have to write down what I'm going to suggest for you which may be a surprise to you. Fact is I had a really great friend who grew any variety he wanted to in a garden just outside Montreal. His name is Raymond Tratt and he and his wife kept sayng they were going to drive down here to visit but it didn't happen. Last I knew his wife was having multiple health problems and the waiting time for surgery was long indeed. Raymond once sent me a half gallon of maple syrup but I don't think he realized that my area of upstate NY has LOTS of maple syrup producers and I have several friends who do syrup. My brother and family moved to NC a few years ago and when he comes up here he'll say get me 10 pints from Howard, and I do, assuming my brother will pay me back, and he does, eventually. __________________ Carolyn

August 15, 2012	#6
NGGrant Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2012 Location: Santa Cruz New Mexico Posts: 81	That's why I buy grade B dark amber, much better flavor. __________________ Nick.

August 17, 2012	#9
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Sharon, first, while you directed this thread to me I'm sure that you'd accept the suggestions of others as well but I tried to keep my lists brief for the reasons given below. And additional suggestions may well keep you wondering about what to get, but that's not all that uncommon either. Second, I did this list off the top of my head and since you're relatively new at growing tomatoes I selected varieties that I think are ones that many have grown and they've worked out very well for many, and ones I think you might consider. You'll see that I don't always list the latest and newest b'c I believe that folks new to heirlooms should first grow a stable of varieties, if you will, to give a basis for comparing new ones to be grown at a later time. I could easily list 10-20 varieties for most categories, but if I give that many it just makes it more difficult to make decisions. And if you don't know the varieties please go to Tania's website where I think all of them have a page with seed sources, pictures and more. Large Reds Neves Azorean Red Red Penna Cuostralee Chapman Red Barn Smaller Reds Druzba Red Brandywine Break O Day Box Car Willie Large Pinks Large Pink Bulgarian Hoy Terhune Omar's Lebanese Dester ( seeds not yet sold commercially, but keep it in mind) Aunt Ginny's Purple Smaller Pinks Eva Purple Ball Pervaya Lyubov Sandul Moldovan Crnkovic Yugoslavian Green When Ripes ( large) Cherokee Green Green Giant Malachite Box Emereld Evergreen or Charlies Green or Dorothy's Green Orange ( large) Orange Minsk Kellogg's Breakfast KBX Smaller oranges Earl of Edgecombe Jaune Flammee Golds Aunt Gertie's Gold Maiden's Gold Dixie Golden Giant White White Queen Hearts Kosovo,pink German Red Strawberry Fish Lake oxheart, red Indiana Red Linnie's Oxheart, red Nicky Crain,pink Brad's Black Heart( derived from Black Krim) Cherries Chadwick's cherry, aka Camp Joy, red Gardener's Delight, red Green Doctors, green when ripe Verde Claro, ditto Dr. Carolyn,ivory to pale yellow Snow White, ditto Pink Ping Pong or Dr. Carolyn Pink Casino Chips, red Galina,gold Black Cherry Kazachka, black Blacks Cherokee Purple Indian Stripe Black from Tula Black Krim Carbon __________________ Carolyn

August 17, 2012	#10
SharonRossy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,140	That's just off the top of your head? Amazing. Thanks so much. You've given me a lot to look at and consider. And not to worry, I'll continue to drive u crazy with questions.thats what happens when you're so knowledgable. My son is going to love this. I'm ordering your book and having it sent to a brother in Syracuse. It's cool that so many of us are on different forums. We've all been bitten by the bug! Like I posted on another one,I'm just learning, PL , RL. Didn't really know anything one way or another. All I know is I have a bunch of "volunteer" plants growing, cherries, but still don't know which ones the are. One is really large, tons of fruit, and I'm pretty sure it's a black cherry. But if all works well with Gold Medal I might save seeds. Thanks a million. How did the tennis work out? Sharon

August 15, 2012	#5
FILMNET Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Charleston,South Carolina, USA Posts: 1,803	It has sort of a woody after taste you dont get from the syrup in the stores here. That because the syrup in stores has .001% of original from the trees. The home made ones here are about 5-10% very strong taste.

August 18, 2012	#11
rsg2001 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Zone 6 Posts: 479	Speaking of Northeast Maple Syrup. I always buy my supply in the fall when I go to New Paltz for Labor Day Weekend. And Grade B Dark Amber is also my favorite. There is just nothing like it. (Now, I'm making a gratuitous mention of tomatoes just to keep it relevant, LOL. Still enjoyin' em like crazy.)

August 27, 2012	#12
SharonRossy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,140	So Carolyn, just to follow up, here's what I have ordered from Tatiana to date: Black from Tula Aunt Gerties Gold Kellogg's Breakfast Druzba Red Penna Orange Strawberry Iditarod Red Anna Russian Gold Nugget Brandywine Sudduth(altho I'm not sure why I ordered this one) Black Russian Bloody Butcher and from another source, Cuore di Bue and Cuore di Toro. Tatiana is going to let me know if she can get German Red Strawberry and Tasmanian Chocolate. On another note, if I can grow or do anything to help you please let me know. Thank you so much. Sharon