Early Girl, non GMO

[Dak]

I'm looking at growing Early Girl this year, but I would rather not grow anything from Monsanto. But hasn't Early Girl been around long enough that it's not a GMO? I'd like to grow something early this year and am open to suggestions.

I'm in California, long, hot & dry summers.

Thanks!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Dak

I'm looking at growing Early Girl this year, but I would rather not grow anything from Monsanto. But hasn't Early Girl been around long enough that it's not a GMO? I'd like to grow something early this year and am open to suggestions.

I'm in California, long, hot & dry summers.

Thanks!

Earl Girl F1 is not a GMO, it's just a straight hybrid, originally bred in France and the history has been posted about it here before, especially if you look in the TRADE sub Forum of yjr eed Exchange a couple of years ago when I made a seed offer for PSR-37 which is an OP version of Early Girl developed by Tim Peters, formerly of Peters Seed and Research, now defunct.

If you do a search here and just enter PSR-37 Early Girl I'm sure you'll find it quickly and I added several links to the first page having to do with the history of Early Girl.

Perhaps you meant to say OP in your post above?

Monsanto did buy all the seed companies that comprise Seminis seeds, but Monsanto bought them as an investment, althoughmanypanicked amd thought conversion to GMO varieties would result for those companies but Monsanto has not pushed any kind of agenda and has not been involved in telling them what to do, and here I speak about Petoseed in particular since they are the main tomato hybridizers.

No GMO tomatoes have ever worked out to date and there were several, so I don't think there's much interest in even pursuing that avenue of reresearch.

Carolyn

[Dak]

Carolyn,

Thank you for taking the time to explain the history of EG. There IS a lot of panic and misinformation on the internet that since Monsanto now owns the seeds, that they are somehow all tainted.

I really did do a search first, but not knowing the importance of adding "F1" did not find the history you mentioned.

Now armed with additional information, off to search!

(this forum is dangerous, I'm reading Habitat gardener's thread from about a month ago, "largest, earliest, best tasting" thread and am googling tomatoes right and left.)

[Sun City Linda]

Originally Posted by Dak

Carolyn,

Thank you for taking the time to explain the history of EG. There IS a lot of panic and misinformation on the internet that since Monsanto now owns the seeds, that they are somehow all tainted.

I really did do a search first, but not knowing the importance of adding "F1" did not find the history you mentioned.

Now armed with additional information, off to search!

(this forum is dangerous, I'm reading Habitat gardener's thread from about a month ago, "largest, earliest, best tasting" thread and am googling tomatoes right and left.)

And so it begins!

[Dak]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Earl Girl F1 is not a GMO, it's just a straight hybrid, originally bred in France and the history has been posted about it here before, especially if you look in the TRADE sub Forum of yjr eed Exchange a couple of years ago when I made a seed offer for PSR-37 which is an OP version of Early Girl developed by Tim Peters, formerly of Peters Seed and Research, now defunct.

If you do a search here and just enter PSR-37 Early Girl I'm sure you'll find it quickly and I added several links to the first page having to do with the history of Early Girl.

Perhaps you meant to say OP in your post above?

Monsanto did buy all the seed companies that comprise Seminis seeds, but Monsanto bought them as an investment, althoughmanypanicked amd thought conversion to GMO varieties would result for those companies but Monsanto has not pushed any kind of agenda and has not been involved in telling them what to do, and here I speak about Petoseed in particular since they are the main tomato hybridizers.

No GMO tomatoes have ever worked out to date and there were several, so I don't think there's much interest in even pursuing that avenue of reresearch.

Carolyn

Carolyn, searching PSR-37 Early Girl here yields no matches here, which is very strange as at the very least, this thread should come up. I had a bit more success using google "PSR-37 Early Girl Tomatoville", is this the thread you're referring to?
http://tomatoville.com/showthread.ph...ghlight=Peters

I've searched the seed exchange forum (for PSR-37) again, nothing comes up. It does not appear to be available for sale or trade. PSR-37 sounds perfect, and now I can't find it. Cruel cruel world.

[Dak]

Originally Posted by Sun City Linda

And so it begins!

Summer garden planning while sitting by the fire, so nice.

[Sun City Linda]

DAK-If you just google psr37 early girl tomato you will likely pull all the discussions as I just did. I dont have it but I have had pretty decent results with Early Girl f1 over the years and would try the Peters OP version if I had the opportunity. I do have several early and cool tolerant varieties I am partial to, Moskvich being one of the best. Work on your wish list and then post it under seeds wanted; You will be amazed at the generousity of Tville Gardeners.

[Dak]

Originally Posted by Sun City Linda

DAK-If you just google psr37 early girl tomato you will likely pull all the discussions as I just did. I dont have it but I have had pretty decent results with Early Girl f1 over the years and would try the Peters OP version if I had the opportunity. I do have several early and cool tolerant varieties I am partial to, Moskvich being one of the best. Work on your wish list and then post it under seeds wanted; You will be amazed at the generousity of Tville Gardeners.

You're so kind, Linda, thank you. I did end up googling those terms,

Originally Posted by Dak

I had a bit more success using google "PSR-37 Early Girl Tomatoville",

and was able to read through all those discussions. Just to whet my appetite. LOL.

It's all good, I hope I'm not coming across as being crabby, I really am having a lot of fun picking out tomatoes. It's one of my most favorite things to do, plan my garden. Great idea about posting a wish list.

[bwaynef]

Its my understanding that to purchase any GMO seed your purchase is also accompanied by paperwork. The hysteria against purchasing GMO seed accidentally is therefore unfounded, no? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

[carolyn137]

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=14401

Above is the thread from here at Tville that I just fetched by looking for my offer in the trade section to find it, I forgot that the title started with "free seeds", whichthey were, for a STAMP or two as in SESE.

Carolyn

[Dak]

Found it, Carolyn, thanks, I sent you an email.

[GunnarSK]

I still have seeds of PSR-37 which I got in a trade in late 2009 (from someone, who disappeared in the meantime and was also the source of Carolyn's seed). Unfortunately my seedlings were wiped out by late blight just after transplanting in 2010, and later I didn't sow (but will now). Interesting how PSR-37 will do here.

[Hotwired]

I believe there are currently no GM tomatoes on the market (at least today).

In 1994, GM tomatoes hit the market in the US but have since disappeared. They’re about to make a come back at a grocery near you. Earlier forms of this GM crop included the transgenic tomato (FlavrSavr) which had a deactivated gene. This meant that the tomato plant was no longer able to produce polygalacturonase, an enzyme involved in fruit softening. The premise was that tomatoes could be left to ripen on the vine and still have a long shelf life, thus allowing them to develop their full flavour. Normally, tomatoes are picked well before they are ripe and are then ripened artificially. These GM tomatoes, however, did not meet their expectations. Although they were approved in the US and several other countries, tomatoes with delayed ripening have disappeared from the market after peaking in 1998.

Excerpt from: My Science Academy Article ... New Varieties of Genetically Modified Tomatoes Coming to a Grocery Store Near You.

http://myscienceacademy.org/2012/11/...cery-near-you/

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by GunnarSK

I still have seeds of PSR-37 which I got in a trade in late 2009 (from someone, who disappeared in the meantime and was also the source of Carolyn's seed). Unfortunately my seedlings were wiped out by late blight just after transplanting in 2010, and later I didn't sow (but will now). Interesting how PSR-37 will do here.

Gunnar, he hasn't disappeared he's been back with a new user name since late Spring.Not here at Tville, but I think you know where which was where he made that initial offer for PSR-37.

Dak, yes I got both of your e-mails and answered you and onward we go.

Carolyn

[remy]

Originally Posted by bwaynef

Its my understanding that to purchase any GMO seed your purchase is also accompanied by paperwork. The hysteria against purchasing GMO seed accidentally is therefore unfounded, no? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

You are correct. The home gardener can NOT purchase GMO seed. GMO seed is available only to commercial farmers, and there are legal documents to be signed before those farmers can purchase the seed. As Hotwired already posted, there are no GMO tomatoes for sale to commercial farmers at this time. Also GMO seed is quite pricy so if it does become available, it would cost significantly more than regular OP seed and even more costly than the most pricy hybrids like Sungold.
Remy