Lumpy Red - pink???

Tania · August 11, 2014

I am growing Lumpy Red tomato, seeds from 2 different sources (one is commercial), and neither of them are red or 'lumpy'.

One is regular leaf, large pink beefsteaks with smooth shoulders.

The other is potato leaf, large pink beefsteaks, also mostly smooth, but some fruits are a bit ruffled.

Both are excellent tasting.

Does anyone have a real RED Lumpy Red?

Thanks,
Tatiana

**carolyn137** · August 11, 2014

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Originally Posted by Tania

I am growing Lumpy Red tomato, seeds from 2 different sources (one is commercial), and neither of them are red or 'lumpy'.

One is regular leaf, large pink beefsteaks with smooth shoulders.

The other is potato leaf, large pink beefsteaks, also mostly smooth, but some fruits are a bit ruffled.

Both are excellent tasting.

Does anyone have a real RED Lumpy Red?

Thanks,
Tatiana

Tania, I grew it once , I think, unless I have it confused with another variety, but I didn't like it and never saved seeds I think it's possible that Gary Millwood sent me seeds since it is from KY.

But if no one here has real Lumpy Red.look in your2014 SSE YEarbook and there are several sources/

One is Baker Creek, and the description sounds about right.

Another is Bill Minkey, and his sounds right as well.

M Longseth made me laugh with his descrition where he said something like .....not lumpy enough to deserve the name,LOL,

Most described it as ribbed and ruffled and here's what you say:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Lumpy_Red

No listings for a Lumpy Red in the pink section of the 2014 Yearbook .

I could probably get it from Bill Minkey unless you also know him.

So red, as was the original ,RL, sizes all over the place and most don't like the taste that much. And most saying ruffled and ribbed, and IMO perhaps called lumpy
due to the ribbing.

Carolyn

Tania · August 12, 2014

Thank you Carolyn. I can get it from Bill directly.

Too bad the real Lumpy Red has less impressive taste than the imposters!

The PL variant that I have originally came from Gary Millwood.

b54red · August 12, 2014

I think I must have the real Lumpy Red. It is not lumpy and it is red. Regular leaf with very dense foliage with fruit from about 8 oz up to nearly a pound. Flavor is variable depending on growing conditions. It is better than many but not as good as the really good ones. It is somewhat firmer than most heirlooms and is globe shaped. It holds well and is dependable producer less afflicted by foliage diseases than most varieties. It is a much shorter vine than many but it can get large if it remains growing for a long season like we have down here. It wouldn't surprise me if it was one of the parents of a lot of the hybrids on the market now since it is more disease tolerant than most and has a lot of the characteristics they want in a hybrid like: sturdy stout vine needing little support, very regular shaped fruit, firm fruit that stores well and it is productive with the fruit size remaining good for most of its life.

It would fall on the low end of the taste scale of the tomatoes I grow but it is fairly good when completely ripe. It does take longer to ripen than most even after it blushes it takes it a long time to become fully ripe. It is one of about 20 varieties that I always plant. I only planted about 40 varieties the whole season and I expect to cut that down by at least 10 for next year, yet Lumpy will remain.

Bill

b54red · August 16, 2014

I took a few pictures of the Lumpy Red plant right after I pruned off the leaves badly damaged by aphids. The bottom of the plant has no leaves but compared to the other plants in the bed it is absolutely lush. It does make it easier to see the fruit on the vine with all those leaves out of the way though. I picked 8 nearly ripe fruit off that afternoon and will get 3 to 5 more tomorrow when I pick again. One of the best features of Lumpy Red besides consistent production is tolerance to foliage diseases that hardly affect it compared to most varieties. Here are three pictures the first is the whole plant and the next two are of the fruit on the bottom where the leaves are removed. You can see how nice the fruits are.

Bill

Sun City Linda · August 16, 2014

Goes to show there is always something to love about a really dependable tomato, even it its not a knock out taste!

remy · August 17, 2014

I did a search for Lumpy Red and on Dave's, there's a note from 2004 that the person got them from B. Elliot who I personally know. I will ask him for a proper description as it does seem to be a bit messed up out there.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/70091/
Oh and Heritage Harvest Seeds who I believe gets many of their seeds from SSE shows a red beefsteak for Lumpy Red.
http://www.heritageharvestseed.com/tomatoeshl.html
Remy

remy · August 17, 2014

OK, I went to look for Brooke's info and then I remembered his friend who I see with him every year in Berea, KY sent me a seed list this year. His listing is: LR Lumpy Red-This is a Corbin, KY family heirloom. It is highly productive and yields heavily fluted medium to large red fruits which are very tasty. 6’ indeterminate. Regular leaf. 80 days.

Tatiana, I can ask him/Brooke to bring seeds in Oct. that I can then forward to you.
Let me know,

Remy

Tania · August 17, 2014

Hi Remy,

Thank you so much for digging into this!

My RL PINK Lumpy Red is grown from the seeds I bought from Heritage Harvest Seeds. I have no doubt that it is pink, and not red. All 5 plants.

I know that some folks say 'red' when fruit is actually pink (clear skin). Especially when their original seed source stated they should be red (power of perception, LOL)

I'd love to get the correct, fluted red beefsteak. If it still exists.

Re IA SSE HF seeds. This year I am growing about 20 varieties (tomatoes and peppers) that I ordered from them via SSE Yearbook. So far, more than 50% of the plants are definitely incorrect - either leaf form is wrong, or fruit shape, size, or color. For peppers it is even more entertaining, as I got a hot thin pepper instead of sweet cheese pepper. The other 50% are not ripe yet, so I cannot tell yet. But so far, all tomatoes that ripened and 1 pepper are NOT matching descriptions. Quite shocking actually, as I expected much less wrong seeds from them. Go figure. So I am proceeding with caution, being a bit more sceptical about the seeds matching the descriptions.

EDITED to add: And yes, I started all these seeds personally, so I can rule out the seed mixup by someone else in my household due to inexperience.

Cheers,
Tatiana

Tania · August 17, 2014

Bill, thank you so much for the pictures!
It looks like they do not match the description, as they are way too smooth and round LOL. Not sure if this is a real 'Lumpy Red'.

As Remy pointed out, it is a bit messed up out there.

Well, it happens with some tomato varieties.

I often wonder, how many 'messed up' smooth medium red varieties are out there? As it is quite easy to mix up such varieties anywhere between fruit harvesting and seed packing, if one is not super vigilant at all the stages. And you can never tell them apart.

Tatiana

Tania · August 17, 2014

Here are the pictures of my pink Lumpy Reds.

PL pink. Outstanding flavor. I could only wish it were correct LOL

Lumpy Pink PL 2014-08-09.JPG

Lumpy Pink PL 2014-08-09 (2).JPG

Lumpy Pink PL 2014-08-09 (3).JPG

RL pink, from Heritage Harvest Seeds - please note that the first 2 pics taken on a very sunny day show the fruit being somewhat red. The last 2 pics show the same fruit indoors, it is pink. I checked the skin.

Lumpy Red CV 2014-08-04.JPG
Lumpy Red CV 2014-08-04 (2).JPG
Lumpy Red CV 2014-08-03 (2).JPG
Lumpy Red CV 2014-08-03.JPG

Tania · August 17, 2014

Not sure what happened with the picture attachments, but you can still see them if you click on the links above.

remy · August 17, 2014

Tatiana, Ok, I will definitely get seed in KY for you because they will be as close to the original source as can be. From doing a more thorough search. It does seem to be that Brook was the original distributor of seed.
Remy

b54red · August 18, 2014

I have another one that I know is a mistake that I got this past year supposedly Akers West Virginia from a reputable dealer. It grew out to be a small to medium globe shaped fruit with stripes. The fruits range from 2 oz to 5 oz and the taste is fantastic. I will be trying to grow it out from saved seed to see if it is stable next year. I rarely grow such small fruited varieties but the flavor and production is so outstanding that I just have to see if I can get a repeat.

I don't know what to call this Lumpy Red I have but it is a really good dependable tomato and would make a great commercial tomato in an area without rampant fusarium. It is far tastier than any of the commercial hybrids yet it does have some of their characteristics. It is probably one of the most foliage disease resistant tomatoes I have ever grown and that alone is amazing down here.

Tatiana good luck finding the real Lumpy Red and if you find it let us know.

Bill

August 11, 2014	#1
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Lumpy Red - pink??? I am growing Lumpy Red tomato, seeds from 2 different sources (one is commercial), and neither of them are red or 'lumpy'. One is regular leaf, large pink beefsteaks with smooth shoulders. The other is potato leaf, large pink beefsteaks, also mostly smooth, but some fruits are a bit ruffled. Both are excellent tasting. Does anyone have a real RED Lumpy Red? Thanks, Tatiana __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

August 12, 2014	#3
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Thank you Carolyn. I can get it from Bill directly. Too bad the real Lumpy Red has less impressive taste than the imposters! The PL variant that I have originally came from Gary Millwood. __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

August 17, 2014	#7
remy Buffalo-Niagara Tomato TasteFest™ Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Z6 WNY Posts: 2,354	I did a search for Lumpy Red and on Dave's, there's a note from 2004 that the person got them from B. Elliot who I personally know. I will ask him for a proper description as it does seem to be a bit messed up out there. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/70091/ Oh and Heritage Harvest Seeds who I believe gets many of their seeds from SSE shows a red beefsteak for Lumpy Red. http://www.heritageharvestseed.com/tomatoeshl.html Remy __________________ "I wake to sleep and take my waking slow" -Theodore Roethke Yes, we have a great party for WNY/Ontario tomato growers every year on Grand Island! Owner of The Sample Seed Shop

August 17, 2014	#8
remy Buffalo-Niagara Tomato TasteFest™ Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Z6 WNY Posts: 2,354	OK, I went to look for Brooke's info and then I remembered his friend who I see with him every year in Berea, KY sent me a seed list this year. His listing is: LR Lumpy Red-This is a Corbin, KY family heirloom. It is highly productive and yields heavily fluted medium to large red fruits which are very tasty. 6’ indeterminate. Regular leaf. 80 days. Tatiana, I can ask him/Brooke to bring seeds in Oct. that I can then forward to you. Let me know, Remy __________________ "I wake to sleep and take my waking slow" -Theodore Roethke Yes, we have a great party for WNY/Ontario tomato growers every year on Grand Island! Owner of The Sample Seed Shop

August 17, 2014	#9
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	Hi Remy, Thank you so much for digging into this! My RL PINK Lumpy Red is grown from the seeds I bought from Heritage Harvest Seeds. I have no doubt that it is pink, and not red. All 5 plants. I know that some folks say 'red' when fruit is actually pink (clear skin). Especially when their original seed source stated they should be red (power of perception, LOL) I'd love to get the correct, fluted red beefsteak. If it still exists. Re IA SSE HF seeds. This year I am growing about 20 varieties (tomatoes and peppers) that I ordered from them via SSE Yearbook. So far, more than 50% of the plants are definitely incorrect - either leaf form is wrong, or fruit shape, size, or color. For peppers it is even more entertaining, as I got a hot thin pepper instead of sweet cheese pepper. The other 50% are not ripe yet, so I cannot tell yet. But so far, all tomatoes that ripened and 1 pepper are NOT matching descriptions. Quite shocking actually, as I expected much less wrong seeds from them. Go figure. So I am proceeding with caution, being a bit more sceptical about the seeds matching the descriptions. EDITED to add: And yes, I started all these seeds personally, so I can rule out the seed mixup by someone else in my household due to inexperience. Cheers, Tatiana __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase Last edited by Tania; August 17, 2014 at 02:33 PM.

August 12, 2014	#4
b54red Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,068	I think I must have the real Lumpy Red. It is not lumpy and it is red. Regular leaf with very dense foliage with fruit from about 8 oz up to nearly a pound. Flavor is variable depending on growing conditions. It is better than many but not as good as the really good ones. It is somewhat firmer than most heirlooms and is globe shaped. It holds well and is dependable producer less afflicted by foliage diseases than most varieties. It is a much shorter vine than many but it can get large if it remains growing for a long season like we have down here. It wouldn't surprise me if it was one of the parents of a lot of the hybrids on the market now since it is more disease tolerant than most and has a lot of the characteristics they want in a hybrid like: sturdy stout vine needing little support, very regular shaped fruit, firm fruit that stores well and it is productive with the fruit size remaining good for most of its life. It would fall on the low end of the taste scale of the tomatoes I grow but it is fairly good when completely ripe. It does take longer to ripen than most even after it blushes it takes it a long time to become fully ripe. It is one of about 20 varieties that I always plant. I only planted about 40 varieties the whole season and I expect to cut that down by at least 10 for next year, yet Lumpy will remain. Bill

August 16, 2014	#6
Sun City Linda Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Inland Posts: 2,705	Goes to show there is always something to love about a really dependable tomato, even it its not a knock out taste!

August 18, 2014	#14
b54red Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,068	I have another one that I know is a mistake that I got this past year supposedly Akers West Virginia from a reputable dealer. It grew out to be a small to medium globe shaped fruit with stripes. The fruits range from 2 oz to 5 oz and the taste is fantastic. I will be trying to grow it out from saved seed to see if it is stable next year. I rarely grow such small fruited varieties but the flavor and production is so outstanding that I just have to see if I can get a repeat. I don't know what to call this Lumpy Red I have but it is a really good dependable tomato and would make a great commercial tomato in an area without rampant fusarium. It is far tastier than any of the commercial hybrids yet it does have some of their characteristics. It is probably one of the most foliage disease resistant tomatoes I have ever grown and that alone is amazing down here. Tatiana good luck finding the real Lumpy Red and if you find it let us know. Bill