Rosovyi Velikan - The Pink Giant

[ContainerTed]

Carolyn, that's why I put the name as it was on the commercial packet. All else excluded, this is a very good tasting tomato - WHATEVER IT REALLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE CALLED. For now, I'm using the name posted above.

I agree with you that the systematic swapping of names, renaming, and origins to increase sales is not just limited to dealers in the western hemisphere. It is also alive and well in the former Soviet Socialist Republics. But, this one tastes good, and that's the most important part. So, as I sort out the 28 varieties above, plus a few more from over there, I am only going to rate the ones that taste good (initially). The others may get a second chance or I may just rate them based on only one season.

Until someone like Tania or Andrey confirms them, we're just going to have to do our best with what we've got. Remember, Rozovyi Velikan, as I have found it, TASTES very good.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Carolyn, that's why I put the name as it was on the commercial packet. All else excluded, this is a very good tasting tomato - WHATEVER IT REALLY IS SUPPOSED TO BE CALLED. For now, I'm using the name posted above.

I agree with you that the systematic swapping of names, renaming, and origins to increase sales is not just limited to dealers in the western hemisphere. It is also alive and well in the former Soviet Socialist Republics. But, this one tastes good, and that's the most important part. So, as I sort out the 28 varieties above, plus a few more from over there, I am only going to rate the ones that taste good (initially). The others may get a second chance or I may just rate them based on only one season.

Until someone like Tania or Andrey confirms them, we're just going to have to do our best with what we've got. Remember, Rozovyi Velikan, as I have found it, TASTES very good.

I read and actually hear you Loudly and Clearly Ted, and so it shall be.

Carolyn

[efisakov]

Ted, I am with Carolyn on the issue on "Trust, but verify" the seeds received from former USSR. There are few known names of professional practitioners of selection and amateur breeders as well. True. But many companies just milking the legacy. They may not have actual seeds or produce them in the way they should not be. And they make up stories.

All I am asking is to grow more than one plant before raving about new variety. I have sent seeds of Carbon, Kellogg's Breakfast, Black Cherry and some more to my mom in Crimea few years ago. They loved them and are saying that those are the best tomatoes they have tasted so far. The production was great too. They had enough to eat, give away, make juice, sauce, paste and ferment.
According to my mom the seeds sold in Russia/Ukraine/... are not reliable. And she does talk to many gardeners out there who shares her view.
So, please just make sure it is as described and consistent, not F1 cross...
Thank you for understanding.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by clara

Carolyn, WAY too much honor for me!!! I have learned Russian, yes, 5 years at school in an additional course and I think I was quite good, but I have forgotten a lot - it's decades ago! So no more fluent Russian, sigh... but at least enough to do the transcriptions from Cyrillic to Latin characters and to understand A BIT, but only A BIT!

Clara, your modesty overwhelms me.

OK, so neither of us understand Estonian, you understand a lot of Russian, maybe you aren't fluent in Russian, but you do just fine with Russian and tomato varieties. And please remember that when I see which varieties out there for my seed producers this summer actually end up with enough seeds for me to offer that you and I will decide on final names for them. You did for a few but I didn't copy them down, to be honest.

So here you go:

Счастливые Летнее солнцестояние

Q. E. D.

Carolyn, who knows some Latin and German and French but no Estonian or Russian, and Clara knows that very well. Just adding that Carolyn has now been able to transliterate several Russian varieties all by herself and still has the Russian primer that Alex in Canada sent her, but it's slow reading, no plot at all, so when she selects a book to read the Russian one is not in the top 100 books she has on her next to read priority list.

[ContainerTed]

Typing in capital letters on the net is equivalent to shouting in a loud voice. You know, like screaming happy birthday. After re-reading my post #16 this morning I have to say that I was out of line in. And since I was in the public arena with my error, I will stay public for an apology. I owe Carolyn a public apology for typing LOUDLY. And I DO sincerely apologize and hope she will forgive. I was having a terrible day with cracking tomotoes, rotting beets, aggravation from my sibling, and the DW being sick. Things just piled up and I had to vent.

Carolyn, you have taught me so much about this passion for tomatoes over the last 7 years out here on the net, and you didn't deserve my response. For that, I offer a very sincere apology.

I am thinking that I might begin using the letters "WN" (in my posts) in front of any and all references to tomatoes that are suspect of their origin and actual name. The "WN" will denote that it is a "Working Name". I'd like some input on using "WN".

That should eliminate confusion and help with folks expectations.

Again, Carolyn, I hope you will accept my apology.

[ContainerTed]

For efisakov - I agree with you about the problems created by commercial entities. But, this one seemed to be straight forward. Last year, Tatianna posted the data I had on it and I felt like that was like a "green light" on the name thing. This may have been one of those "perfect storms." I shall have to be more careful in the future.

This is the second year I've grown this variety. The first time (2013), I had 3 plants and this year 4. I can see no differences between the 7 plants, nor the fruit they produce. Maybe this one is okay. We'll see what the future brings. In the meantime, this is still a large tomato that "tastes good".

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Typing in capital letters on the net is equivalent to shouting in a loud voice. You know, like screaming happy birthday. After re-reading my post #16 this morning I have to say that I was out of line in. And since I was in the public arena with my error, I will stay public for an apology. I owe Carolyn a public apology for typing LOUDLY. And I DO sincerely apologize and hope she will forgive. I was having a terrible day with cracking tomotoes, rotting beets, aggravation from my sibling, and the DW being sick. Things just piled up and I had to vent.

Carolyn, you have taught me so much about this passion for tomatoes over the last 7 years out here on the net, and you didn't deserve my response. For that, I offer a very sincere apology.

I am thinking that I might begin using the letters "WN" (in my posts) in front of any and all references to tomatoes that are suspect of their origin and actual name. The "WN" will denote that it is a "Working Name". I'd like some input on using "WN".

That should eliminate confusion and help with folks expectations.

Again, Carolyn, I hope you will accept my apology.

Of course I accept your apology and none was really needed.

We all have bad days and I've had a string of them, one was finally dumping this man who wanted me to help him understand tomatoes. ahem, since he was going to France to write an article about this chateau owner who grew 700 different varieties of tomatoes and also owned a fancy garden supply store in Paris/

I asked him question after question with no answers at all, and in his last em to me he lied about something. So it took all the energy I had to answer him yesterday and did so by ending my em with

Bonne Chance ( good luck)

When someone doesn't know what they don't know it's almost impossible to work with them.

Then there's martha who prepares my meals for me since I can no longer do it, she's been in terrible pain, has seen her ortho person twice and is still in pain. I gave her one of my canes, it was thought at one time after I severed all 4 quads in theright leg that I could walk with a cane, but that was a no go. And I am not pleased at all with what her ortho has dx her with nor with how he wants to proceed/

Then there's Freda who does the outside stuff for me and I've been pleading with her to fertilize my now only 10 tomatoes in containers and this has been going on now for two weeks, and only today did she do that.

Freda knows it all, whatever it is, and has never accepted the fact that I know more about gardening than she does, and that with regard to vegetables, fruits. perennials, annuals, etc.

Then there's my old cat who has befriended both martha and Freda, which was a big surprise to me, but the cat is not stupid and knows who gives her her wet food,her treats, her kibble and refills her water bowls. Then drives me crazy when I'm sitting on the edge of my bed with a towel on my lap eating my food, wanting more.

I keep telling her I won't eat her cat food if she'll lay off the human food, but communication is lost on that issue.

All to say yes, I have bad days all the time, not even going into the medical aspects. So until this past June 26th I said I was 75 and still alive and now I can say I'm 76 and still above 6 and I had to have someone explain that one to me in my B day thread.

And onward we go.

Carolyn

[Mike723]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Carolyn, who knows some Latin and German and French but no Estonian or Russian, and Clara knows that very well. Just adding that Carolyn has now been able to transliterate several Russian varieties all by herself and still has the Russian primer that Alex in Canada sent her, but it's slow reading, no plot at all, so when she selects a book to read the Russian one is not in the top 100 books she has on her next to read priority list.

Sorry to go off topic here, but I must say.. Carolyn I totally love and look forward to reading more of your third person closings..