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Can you give the name of an available tomato cultivar that combine the most phenotypically expressed (fruits, leaves, plant habits,...) recessive genes ?
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well... I've heard that there is a cultivar "Black Sea Man" which is determinate, but so far all seed sources I've tried have been indeterminates.
If the determinate version really exists it would have these recessive traits: - sp - potato leaf - gf - clear skin (assuming a pink black ) - large fruit (relatively - beefsteak type) - early - cool weather tolerant I guess you could increase the determinate traits by crossing with a yellow to get a gwr. And breeding in a tangerine gene to get tangerine-yellow-gwr. ![]() |
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Tigerette (dwarf), striped, bicolor, plum, rugose, determinate, chartreuse foliage (with multiple light green leaf genes).
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If Tomatoville had a yearbook, travis would be voted 'Most Likely To Be On Jeopardy'.
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And yes, it should be determinate. http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Black_Sea_Man If you look at the seed sources , I don't know how many you tried, but Tania herself is selling seeds for it and no doubt det as she said it was, and I agree. But when I looked at Sandhill Preservation for instance it says indet. Here's what I think might be happenening based on another vareity I had experience with, http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/G...b=General_Info You can also pull up Green Grape, no original mentioned. Yes, it was supposed to be indet, but when I grew it out here where I am now about 16 yo ago it was det and Tom also found det plants for it in the NEtherlands at Kees Sahin's tomato exhibition. I was asked to do a dog and pony show in CA at a large nursery, at the timeTom was living in Bakersfield and he drove down to meet me and sat at the same desk where I was autographing my book and answering questions. He brought twoplants he said were indet. I carelly kept with me on the plane ride back east, I planted them out and they were DET. So do I blame AA for doing something to those plants?Nope. I think there is what I call flip flop with some varieties and certain genes and includes flip flopping between DET and IND. I don't know the exact gene designations and have no intention of going to the TGRC to find them. The same thing happens with the variety Fish Lake Oxheart with regard to epidermis color and I had one variety where the flip flop was between RL and PL. Save seeds from the PL, sow them and you get plants that are either PL or RL. same thing if you save seeds from the RL Then there's Kazachka, a fave black cherry of mine http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/K...b=General_Info Andrey in Belarus sent me the seeds. Put out several plants, some have mini beefsteaks, some have round cherries, save seeds for beefs and you get both, save seeds from round cherries and you get both. And Andrey confirmed for me that he was getting the same. So I believe in flip flopping of some tomato varieties and some genes and have noted which ones I've seen flip flop. Hope that helps. Carolyn
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Carolyn, and I get to submit the questions to Jeopardy. <G>
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NSL187099 (LA2513): a, c, d, gf, gs, h, marm, mc, r, wf, y
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My Google isn't Googling, hope to get it fixed this week, but I'd like to know what talking smack means b/c I've never heard that before. Maybe I got too old too soon or as my brother was wont to say........"I forgot to remember".
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Bravado with a touch of taunt, most often humorous, like "Bring it on Dude, I got you covered."
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![]() Talking smack. Here are some examples. You couldn't whip your way out of a wet paper bag. You wouldn't know a good tomato if it fell out of the sky and hit you in the head. You couldn't grow a tomato even if you had Carolyn137 helping you. The dog pound just called they have your wife locked up again. It can also refer to someone bragging and being better than someone else as boxers do. Muhammad Ali pretty much perfected smack talking in the world of boxing. Wiki says it came from the 90's but this is hog wash I have heard the term since the early 70's. It may very well come from reference of someone babbling while on heroin which is also known as smack. But I have no proof of this. Worth |
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@ChrisK This list is impressive but the accession is no longer available (and should not be grown for food as it is a very slow growing one)
A bunch of recessive hiding behind a trait (fruit size, etc) doesnt count if they can't be named ![]() |
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There are plenty of people that have this accession and it used to be offered by Sampleseedshop (not any more?).
Yes, it's not exactly a good eating tomato...but I don't remember that being a prerequisite in your post. ;-)
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