more control of seed fermentation

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Precisely,you never do know what will fall in,and say I,so what,since the bacteria and fungi that fall in all make enzymes that are important in the fermentation.

Add sugar?

No need to since when you broke open the tomatoes to create the glop know that it's many polysaccharides both internally and in the cell walls that get enzymatically broken down to individual sugars,so there you go,or not.

Carolyn,now going for short siesta.

So there you go from the expert.
Leave the thing open so it can have oxygen and critters to fall in the mix.

I have received seeds from Carolyn that were very very old from outside the seed give away.
They were for all intents and purposes 90 to 100% germinating and in a very short time.

Worth

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Worth1

So there you go from the expert.
Leave the thing open so it can have oxygen and critters to fall in the mix.

I have received seeds from Carolyn that were very very old from outside the seed give away.
They were for all intents and purposes 90 to 100% germinating and in a very short time.

Worth

Worth,just a few comments.

No matter if one does fermentation in open or closed containers,the process starts aerobically since O2 is introduced with the glop,it's only after a good strong mixed mat of bacteria and fungi is formed that the O2 is used up and the fermentation becomes anaerobic,since the definition of fermentation says it is anaerobic.

And for sure many of us have set up fermentations,usually open,when no substantial mat forms,just floating clumps of bacteria and fungi,in which case I just let the fermentation go longer,monitoring it by the gas bubbles that appear on the inside wall of the container.

Carolyn

[Worth1]

Not trying to be a pest just trying to get to the bottom of things.
I have my reasons I wont say here.

So lets say we dont trap any bacteria or mold spores in the container before we close it then what happens?

From reading your book and so on I have seen that the jell coat should completely dissolve and wash off if memory serves me.

If I had a tomato I would do the testing myself but I dont have one.

Worth

[bower]

Many thanks for your thoughts Carolyn. Something to mull over, as usual.
A cocktail of things, as it were.
Well this afternoon I put some more batches of seeds to 'ferment'.
Some were given a piece of the 'mat'.
Others got a drop or two of whey, instead of a teaspoon.
Now I'll see if that resolves the 'sprouty' question in a few days.

Not ready to go back to the wild critter ferment just yet.
Even though Carolyn is generally proven right, sooner or later!

[carolyn137]

Even though Carolyn is generally proven right, sooner or later!

$$$$$$$

I wish!!!!!

Carolyn

[bower]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Even though Carolyn is generally proven right, sooner or later!

$$$$$$$

I wish!!!!!

Carolyn

Being proven right doesn't mean they pay you for it. Would be nice!

[carolyn137]

[QUOTE=carolyn137;585573]Even though Carolyn is generally proven right, sooner or later!

$$$$$$$

I wish!!!!!

Carolyn

So let me change the above a bit lest you think I'm the wife of Silas Marner,who was always telling him to get more and more gold coins.

Instead of the $ sign,which was chosen at random,I could have done this;

@#$%^&*

Carolyn

[Worth1]

[QUOTE=carolyn137;585737]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Even though Carolyn is generally proven right, sooner or later!

$$$$$$$

I wish!!!!!

Carolyn

So let me change the above a bit lest you think I'm the wife of Silas Marner,who was always telling him to get more and more gold coins.

Instead of the $ sign,which was chosen at random,I could have done this;

@#$%^&*

Carolyn

You could always be the wife of Prester John.
Worth

[bower]

[QUOTE=carolyn137;585737]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Even though Carolyn is generally proven right, sooner or later!

$$$$$$$

I wish!!!!!

Carolyn

So let me change the above a bit lest you think I'm the wife of Silas Marner,who was always telling him to get more and more gold coins.

Instead of the $ sign,which was chosen at random,I could have done this;

@#$%^&*

Carolyn

Indeed. and @#$%^&* is more often what a person will get, for being proven right in contentious matters.

[clkingtx]

Originally Posted by bower

Many thanks for your thoughts Carolyn. Something to mull over, as usual.
A cocktail of things, as it were.
Well this afternoon I put some more batches of seeds to 'ferment'.
Some were given a piece of the 'mat'.
Others got a drop or two of whey, instead of a teaspoon.
Now I'll see if that resolves the 'sprouty' question in a few days.

Not ready to go back to the wild critter ferment just yet.
Even though Carolyn is generally proven right, sooner or later!

I wonder if what you are thinking is sprouting is just part of the seed? No offense is meant, if this sounds dumb, but when I fermented my first time, I thought all of my seeds had the tiniest of little tails forming. I went ahead and dried them, and continued fermenting others the same way. All my seeds appeared to have the same thing! When I tested germination on one batch, it was very good, so I know it must just be because I am new to fermenting seeds, and didn't recognize that it is just a normal part of a wet seed. Earlier today I cleaned some seeds using peroxide, water, and baking soda, and when finished, the seeds had that same part that looks to me like a baby root. I know those couldn't be sprouted, so it confirmed my mistake.

You probably have more experience than I do cleaning seeds and such, so may not make the mistake I did, but could it be something similar?

[bower]

Carrie, I'm not sure.
Maybe it's a bit from the outside gel and bits that the seeds hang together from.
The only way to test I think, is if they were dried completely and left for awhile, then do a germination test.
I will look at them again when they're dried, too.
I had seeds that definitely sprouted in a ferment once. I left them too long I think.

[carolyn137]

[QUOTE=Worth1;585740]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

You could always be the wife of Prester John.
Worth

I think not since Prester John was not a single person,he was a complex mythical conglomorate of several persons and many of them as a Priest, yes,back then Priests could marry,some today still do depending on specific religions,but let's not go there.

Besides,I doubt the mythical Prester Johns,any of them,had much money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John

Carolyn

[Worth1]

Talk about poverty I got to got to this place.
I drank too much wine and threw up off the railing.

Poor guy.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...fTqVeg3zJdze9A