Some quirky stuff

Grub · March 10, 2006

Clearly, my Box Car Willie is a faux. But it’s not the faux from last year. It’s big and red, but unusually soft.
I have maybe six fruits thus far.

Mule Team alongside from Chuck’s site is, well, appearance-wise, exactly the same large ribbed-shouldered round red. It can’t be the real deal. A couple of fruit ripening now.

Mortgage Lifter Pester’s Strain has one ribbed green fruit. I wouldn’t like to be paying off my house with this guy. Lol.

Marianna’s Peace, second year running, is now setting fruit after maybe three months in the ground.

Rose Quartz Multiflora is red. But pleasantly sweet.

Broad Ripple Yellow Currant isn’t a currant at all, but a yellow cherry.

Matts Wild, a currant, needs to be very ripe to reveal its sweetness.

Last but not least, Kelloggs’s Breakfast x Aker’s West Virginia F4 is producing small orange/red ribbed fruit of indistinguishable flavour.

Cheers, Grub.

cdntomato · March 10, 2006

Grub, I sent seeds for the real BCW (originally from Aunty Carolyn) to Mantis in his seasoning pepper packet. Apologies, no toms in your packet, just extra peppers with heat. Will forward real deal BCW and Mule Team this weekend.

Broad Ripple isn't supposed to be a currant, despite its name.

Jennifer

bully · March 10, 2006

Huh? I thougt it was a currant but had read that's Matt's wasn't

**carolyn137** · March 10, 2006

Box Car Willie and Mule Team were bred by the same person and are lookalikes as in being round red, but slightly oblate, and smooth shouldered. I've always preferred BCW for taste.

Mortgage Lifter, Pesta is a typical large fruited gold/red bicolor Grub, so you wouldn't be expected to pay off any house b'c this is not a strain of the original Mortgage Lifter. Too bad it was IDed as it was, but it was found by George Pesta as a cross.

SSE states in the catalog and at the website that in their experience Broad Ripple Currant is not a currant. I haven't grown it so can't say personally.

Matt's Wild Cherry is very clearly IDed by Johnny's, who introduced it, as L. lycopersicon, cerasiforme.

It's importatnt to know if a variety is a cerasiforme b'c it means that the stigma is not exerted as it is with currant tomatoes.

Varieties IDed as cerasiformes are partially domesticated cherry tomatoes.

**carolyn137** · March 10, 2006

Keith,

We've discusssed this before, many times.

While what you say is no doubt true, there's a huge difference between scanning accessions of wild pimps for stigma position versus those very few wild and named varieties that are out there in the public domain being sold, requested and traded.

Last I looked there were hundreds of wild accession currant tomatoes in the TGRC data base, but few if any of those are sold commercially or traded.

I think the concern about the currants, for many, is whether they are known to cross easily, and I know you've said that you'd be more worried about the non-currants crossing the currants, and that may well be true, but nevertheless, I always isolate any suspected currants from others, knowing that weather, etc., can also change stigma position.

**nctomatoman** · March 10, 2006

Wild Pimps???

michael johnson · March 10, 2006

My- now those realy are pretty girls- you lucky old tomatovillian. :wink: :wink:

**carolyn137** · March 10, 2006

Keith,

I didn't say that exerted vs non-exerted stigmas was the ONLY difference between pimps and cerasiformes, but it is a trait that could be of interest and concern to home growers.

As far as that goes, any variety or accession has the potential to have exerted stigmas, if we're talking about envionmentally induced exertion of stigmas.

Craig, elevate your mind, would you please.

Yes, wild pimps

bully · March 10, 2006

What does that picture have to do with exherted stigmas ?

8) 8)

travis · March 10, 2006

"Broad Ripple isn't supposed to be a currant, despite its name." [Jennifer]

Broad Ripple is nothin' more than a volunteer that grew outta the sidewalk from a seed deposited in bird droppings from moochin' pigeon outside an upscale, watering hole in that Yuppie, North End Indianapolis neighborhood called Broad Ripple. Probably a dehybridized Golden Gem.

GGV

KCMO_Don · March 10, 2006

u huh u huh ...
"What does that picture have to do with exherted stigmas "

Hey Beevis look ....My stigma's exherted !

March 10, 2006	#1
Grub Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,722	Some quirky stuff Clearly, my Box Car Willie is a faux. But it’s not the faux from last year. It’s big and red, but unusually soft. I have maybe six fruits thus far. Mule Team alongside from Chuck’s site is, well, appearance-wise, exactly the same large ribbed-shouldered round red. It can’t be the real deal. A couple of fruit ripening now. Mortgage Lifter Pester’s Strain has one ribbed green fruit. I wouldn’t like to be paying off my house with this guy. Lol. Marianna’s Peace, second year running, is now setting fruit after maybe three months in the ground. Rose Quartz Multiflora is red. But pleasantly sweet. Broad Ripple Yellow Currant isn’t a currant at all, but a yellow cherry. Matts Wild, a currant, needs to be very ripe to reveal its sweetness. Last but not least, Kelloggs’s Breakfast x Aker’s West Virginia F4 is producing small orange/red ribbed fruit of indistinguishable flavour. Cheers, Grub.

March 10, 2006	#4
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Box Car Willie and Mule Team were bred by the same person and are lookalikes as in being round red, but slightly oblate, and smooth shouldered. I've always preferred BCW for taste. Mortgage Lifter, Pesta is a typical large fruited gold/red bicolor Grub, so you wouldn't be expected to pay off any house b'c this is not a strain of the original Mortgage Lifter. Too bad it was IDed as it was, but it was found by George Pesta as a cross. SSE states in the catalog and at the website that in their experience Broad Ripple Currant is not a currant. I haven't grown it so can't say personally. Matt's Wild Cherry is very clearly IDed by Johnny's, who introduced it, as L. lycopersicon, cerasiforme. It's importatnt to know if a variety is a cerasiforme b'c it means that the stigma is not exerted as it is with currant tomatoes. Varieties IDed as cerasiformes are partially domesticated cherry tomatoes. __________________ Carolyn

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carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Keith, We've discusssed this before, many times. While what you say is no doubt true, there's a huge difference between scanning accessions of wild pimps for stigma position versus those very few wild and named varieties that are out there in the public domain being sold, requested and traded. Last I looked there were hundreds of wild accession currant tomatoes in the TGRC data base, but few if any of those are sold commercially or traded. I think the concern about the currants, for many, is whether they are known to cross easily, and I know you've said that you'd be more worried about the non-currants crossing the currants, and that may well be true, but nevertheless, I always isolate any suspected currants from others, knowing that weather, etc., can also change stigma position. __________________ Carolyn

March 10, 2006	#6
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	Wild Pimps??? __________________ Craig

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carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Keith, I didn't say that exerted vs non-exerted stigmas was the ONLY difference between pimps and cerasiformes, but it is a trait that could be of interest and concern to home growers. As far as that goes, any variety or accession has the potential to have exerted stigmas, if we're talking about envionmentally induced exertion of stigmas. Craig, elevate your mind, would you please. Yes, wild pimps __________________ Carolyn

March 10, 2006	#2
cdntomato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 554	Grub, I sent seeds for the real BCW (originally from Aunty Carolyn) to Mantis in his seasoning pepper packet. Apologies, no toms in your packet, just extra peppers with heat. Will forward real deal BCW and Mule Team this weekend. Broad Ripple isn't supposed to be a currant, despite its name. Jennifer

March 10, 2006	#3
bully Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: S.E. MI Posts: 794	Huh? I thougt it was a currant but had read that's Matt's wasn't

March 10, 2006	#7
michael johnson Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK. Posts: 960	My- now those realy are pretty girls- you lucky old tomatovillian. :wink: :wink:

March 10, 2006	#10
travis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 2,984	"Broad Ripple isn't supposed to be a currant, despite its name." [Jennifer] Broad Ripple is nothin' more than a volunteer that grew outta the sidewalk from a seed deposited in bird droppings from moochin' pigeon outside an upscale, watering hole in that Yuppie, North End Indianapolis neighborhood called Broad Ripple. Probably a dehybridized Golden Gem. GGV

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KCMO_Don Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KANSAS Posts: 223	u huh u huh ... "What does that picture have to do with exherted stigmas " Hey Beevis look ....My stigma's exherted ! __________________ GIGGITY - GIGGITY