ISPL Heart Shaped???

[akgardengirl]

I did have some of the ISPL turn out hearty shapes. I got a photo of green ones and then forgot to retake one when ripe. It was about 4-5 fruits on a quite loaded plant.
Sue

[seaeagle]

The more I think about it, I agree with B54 that there is no way this is the real Indian Stripe PL plant.I have about 25 or 30 tomatoes on one plant no bigger than a golf ball and pointy and that is as big as they will get.I even tried picking some when they first blushed which I don't usually do and they still turned soft before they ripened.I really do think there is an imposter being circulated.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by seaeagle

The more I think about it, I agree with B54 that there is no way this is the real Indian Stripe PL plant.I have about 25 or 30 tomatoes on one plant no bigger than a golf ball and pointy and that is as big as they will get.I even tried picking some when they first blushed which I don't usually do and they still turned soft before they ripened.I really do think there is an imposter being circulated.

It is quite possible that an imposter IS PL, OR IS RL non-heart,is being circulated since I listed both IS RL and ISPL for several years in my seed offers.

They were what they should be and I think there are still some older seeds of both in the back room.

And we all know that some then trade seeds or participate in swaps at not just Tville, seeds travel,so there are several ways that wrong varieties can get circulated since not everyone,actually far from it, bags blossoms or isolates geographically.

When comparing a PL variant of an RL it really is important to grow both in the same season and treat both the same.

Carolyn

[b54red]

I was just out watering and fertilizing my old vines to coax a few new fruit out of them before the end of the season. I found that one of my IS plants and one of my ISPL plants both had new little green fruit on them and they each had one or two with that little tip like a heart on them. Neither of them ever produced any fruit like that from spring until just this week so I'm guessing it may just be the old vines and the weather. I will wait and see if they keep that heart look on into September. These are tiny fruit about the size of a nickel.

Bill

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by b54red

I was just out watering and fertilizing my old vines to coax a few new fruit out of them before the end of the season. I found that one of my IS plants and one of my ISPL plants both had new little green fruit on them and they each had one or two with that little tip like a heart on them. Neither of them ever produced any fruit like that from spring until just this week so I'm guessing it may just be the old vines and the weather. I will wait and see if they keep that heart look on into September. These are tiny fruit about the size of a nickel.

Bill

Bill,I've seen many varieties that aren't supposed to have a tip,turn up having one,usually later in the season,but I don't ever call them hearts,ever.

Carolyn

[b54red]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Bill,I've seen many varieties that aren't supposed to have a tip,turn up having one,usually later in the season,but I don't ever call them hearts,ever.

Carolyn

I wasn't saying it was a heart just that a couple of the baby fruits looked that way today. By next week they may be back to form. I think it is just an anomaly that sometimes happens on very old vines. These were planted way back in early March.
The fruit on the same varieties from the same seed that were planted in May, June and July look totally normal.

Bill

[seaeagle]

Just wanted to update.The plants I had were definitely ISPL.They are doing good now that the heat and humidity have backed off some.

They just did not ripen well in the brutal July and August we had but neither did Bulgarian Red Giant, Giallo De Summer, Marianna's Conflict or Paul Robeson.

Carbon and Earl's Faux ripened tomatoes fine but slowed down a lot (stopped) but are flowering and setting tomatoes fine now.Rutgers and Cherokee Purple ripened fine slowed a little.

Eva Purple Ball and Jet Star were the champs as far as producing in awful conditions for tomatoes.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by seaeagle

Just wanted to update.The plants I had were definitely ISPL.They are doing good now that the heat and humidity have backed off some.

They just did not ripen well in the brutal July and August we had but neither did Bulgarian Red Giant, Giallo De Summer, Marianna's Conflict or Paul Robeson.

Carbon and Earl's Faux ripened tomatoes fine but slowed down a lot (stopped) but are flowering and setting tomatoes fine now.Rutgers and Cherokee Purple ripened fine slowed a little.

Eva Purple Ball and Jet Star were the champs as far as producing in awful conditions for tomatoes.

Bulgarian Red Giant? There hasn't been a Bulgarian one I've grown that I haven't loved but I hadn't heard of that one,but sure enough,there it is,under a different name.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w..._Big_Red_Round

Carolyn

[SharonRossy]

All of my ISPL's have a tip and generally are not that large. I am starting to get ripe fruit also now that we have had slightly cooler temps.
Carolyn, speaking of Bulgarian varieties, I'm growing Bulgarian Triumph and it's proven to be a work horse. Started slow, like all my plants this year, but wow! Nice flavor as well.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by SharonRossy

All of my ISPL's have a tip and generally are not that large. I am starting to get ripe fruit also now that we have had slightly cooler temps.
Carolyn, speaking of Bulgarian varieties, I'm growing Bulgarian Triumph and it's proven to be a work horse. Started slow, like all my plants this year, but wow! Nice flavor as well.

I know Bulgarian Triumph very well as you can see from the following link.

When folks ask for an OP with small red cluster fruits with great taste and yield,there's none better IMO.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B...b=General_Info

Carolyn

[seaeagle]

Big Red Round looks exactly like Red Giant.The inside is identical and the tomato looks the same and has the same slight ridges or fluting ( have to take a course in tomato terminology someday).

So it may be the same tomato and the flavor profile fits as well.I think the name is incorrect if it is the same tomato because the little bit of research I did indicated that it was an old Bulgarian commercial heirloom.Rosu Gigant (Red Giant)

To me same flavor profile as Coustralee but Coustralee is more productive and takes the heat better.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/up-to-2000...EAAOSw1ZBUxDAZ

[SharonRossy]

While I won't call them heart shaped, this is what most of my ISPL look like, definitely with a tip at the blossom end and smaller than ISRL.

[ContainerTed]

I wonder sometimes about these "Heart" shaped variants of known "oldies but goodies". This year, I had Celebrity fruit I could have called "Hearts". I also had heart shapes from the following:

Indian Stripe (RL)
Daniel Burson (PL)
Terhune
Golden Jubilee
Bison
Lemon Boy Hybrid
Bear Creek
Rutgers Select
African Queen
JD's Special C-Tex
Krasnadar Titans

It just makes me wonder how many of the "Hearts" are derived from one fruit that usually comes in the latter part of the season. Just being skeptical to make sure we don't start identifying "ghosts".

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

I wonder sometimes about these "Heart" shaped variants of known "oldies but goodies". This year, I had Celebrity fruit I could have called "Hearts". I also had heart shapes from the following:

Indian Stripe (RL)
Daniel Burson (PL)
Terhune
Golden Jubilee
Bison
Lemon Boy Hybrid
Bear Creek
Rutgers Select
African Queen
JD's Special C-Tex
Krasnadar Titans

It just makes me wonder how many of the "Hearts" are derived from one fruit that usually comes in the latter part of the season. Just being skeptical to make sure we don't start identifying "ghosts".

I agree Ted.

Weather is known to cause slight elongation/or tip of some varieties,no consensus on what those conditions might be. But if grown for several seasons and always the same,assuming weather conditions are never consistent,then pay more attention.

This was just discussed in the thread on Omar's Lebanese Heart,found by Darin,in his thread with pictures from Dutch,who is doing seed production for it..

Carolyn

[BigVanVader]

Mine were a mix of heartish shapes and rounder ones the first year I grew them. The same this year. Perhaps the seed I got originally (cant recall from whom) was already wrong/crossed? I had some gorgeous tomatoes off my plants.