'Campari' copycat variety

bigbubbacain · July 22, 2009

Have any of you ever found a variety that comes close to the 'Campari' tomato selling at the stores? I loathe the commercial brands at the stores and I'm not sure if this one would even set fruit from saved seed.

hasshoes · July 22, 2009

I would guess that it's a hybrid since I've never tasted store cluster types that taste as good.

Good question.

I've also always wondered if anyone has ever tried to dehybridize it.

**carolyn137** · July 22, 2009

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Originally Posted by bigbubbacain

Have any of you ever found a variety that comes close to the 'Campari' tomato selling at the stores? I loathe the commercial brands at the stores and I'm not sure if this one would even set fruit from saved seed.

This summer I'm growing a variety that the breeder, Dr. Randy Gardner, says is based on the Campari type but since I've never had Camparis and since I have blossoms but no fruits yet, I can't tell you anything more except this variety is not currently available commercially, but will be introduced soon.

The variety name is Mountain Magic F1 and it won't be released until 2010. He also sent Smarty F1 which is available at Johnny's now as well as PLum Regal F1 and I don't remember when PLum Regal will be released.

Mulio at GW posted a picture of Mountaiun Magic and it sure looked impressive. Keith got his MS degree with Dr. Gardner and is still in close touch with him. I've known Dr. Gardner for quite a few years and was sent these three hybrids as thanks for seeds of about 30 heirloom varieties that he wants to once again try to incorporate into his breeding progarms to introduce some taste into hybrids.

http://www.reeis.usda.gov/web/crispr...ges/93089.html

Above is a link with descriptions of all three varieties I mentioned above.

dokutaaguriin · July 22, 2009

You might want to try Bulgarian Triumph or dehybridize Campari. I have heard of Campari Market but I really don`t think that someone was able to stablize it in such a short amount of time.
Jeff

travis · July 23, 2009

Some folks who have grown out store bought Campari seeds report getting tomatoes with hard white cores that ripen unevenly.

juan_bernado · July 23, 2009

Campari is an F1 by Enza Zaden. it's one of the standard commercial varieties in europe.
http://www.enzazaden.com/

cheers

**carolyn137** · July 23, 2009

You might want to try Bulgarian Triumph or dehybridize Campari

*****

Jeff, I know Bulgarian Triumph really well and like it very much but I don't see it comparing to Camapari based on shape/size alone, but if you say it tastes like a Campari, then maybe it's a possibility.

I still think this new Mountain Magic F1 of Dr. Gardeners looks like a good one, but I also understand why some would prefer to have an OP, and since MM is field adapted with EB and LB tolerance, it might be a better one to dehybridize than Camapri itself.

bigbubbacain · July 23, 2009

Simply put, how many crosses does it usually take for variety to become stable / dehybridized? Does it vary from one variety to the next?

dokutaaguriin · July 23, 2009

Mountain Magic certainly does look like a winner and a better choice to dehybridize.
BT is a much bigger tomato than Campari. I think BT is a much sweeter more intensly flavoured tomato than Campari.
Jeff

dice · July 23, 2009

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Simply put, how many crosses does it usually take for variety to become stable / dehybridized? Does it vary from one variety to the next?

It varies a little with how many dominant-dominant or
recessive-recessive gene pairs the parent strains of the F1
had in common and with the exact genetic makeup of the
seeds you happen to grow out in successive generations
(what genes they have already paired and what genes they
do not).

This page has a good explanation with illustrations and
probabilities for successive F (filial) generations after the
first cross:
http://kdcomm.net/~tomato/gene/genes2.html

gourmetgardener · February 6, 2011

You might want to try a variety called Amoroso - it's everything Campari is plus more. Doesn't do too well outside, but works really good in high tunnels or a hobby greenhouse. You can buy the seed from Tuckers Seeds, but it is Uber expensive!

travis · February 6, 2011

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Originally Posted by dokutaaguriin

Mountain Magic certainly does look like a winner and a better choice to dehybridize.
Jeff

I'd have to agree with Jeff. Mountain Magic is the home gardener's best bet for a Campari type tomato. It grows very well outdoors, and is a relatively compact vine. It laughs at diseases and conditions that take others down. Besides, it's sweeter and tastes better than greenhouse Camparis. And when I tried to grow out Campari F2s, I got a lot of hard, white pith in the centers. I'm hoping that when growing out Mountain Magic F2s, I will find an even more compact vine and selections of both round and elongated saladette tomatoes.

gourmetgardener · February 6, 2011

Agreed. Mountain magic is great if you want to grow them outside. The white pith you got in your F2 Camparis is due to stress - Campari was meant to grow in protected culture - and by stress I mean wind, excessive heat, soil moisture fluctuations.

gourmetgardener · March 15, 2011

If you want to try something that is very, very, very close to Campari - Try Temptation F1. It is a sister variety to Campari bred by the exact same company Enza Zaden - Osborne Seeds carries it, but it is quite expensive ($700 per thousand, but you can buy as few as 25 seeds).

gourmetgardener · August 18, 2011

Take a look at this:

http://www.lindbloms.se/Lindbloms/GI...g_2011_web.pdf

They have the authentic Campari - not a restricted club variety in those countries, however they cannot ship outside the EU. If you can speak swedish, have a read. Outrageously expensive though - $746 for 500 seeds, $169 for 100 seeds, or $47 for 25 seeds. Got a relative of a friend to send me 25 seeds from sweden. Put 10 plants in my greenhouse, and grew the other 15 outside - all plants grown outside had a tough pith (Caused by wide fluctuations in day/night temperatures) - varieties listed for heated greenhouse do best with fluctuations of 10 degrees celcius day/night, while varieties listed for non heated cultivation can tolerate fluctuations that more closely resemble outdoors.

July 22, 2009	#1
bigbubbacain Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zone 9 Texas, Fort Bend County Posts: 436	'Campari' copycat variety Have any of you ever found a variety that comes close to the 'Campari' tomato selling at the stores? I loathe the commercial brands at the stores and I'm not sure if this one would even set fruit from saved seed.

July 22, 2009	#2
hasshoes Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: MT Posts: 438	I would guess that it's a hybrid since I've never tasted store cluster types that taste as good. Good question. I've also always wondered if anyone has ever tried to dehybridize it. __________________ Sara

July 23, 2009	#7
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	You might want to try Bulgarian Triumph or dehybridize Campari ***** Jeff, I know Bulgarian Triumph really well and like it very much but I don't see it comparing to Camapari based on shape/size alone, but if you say it tastes like a Campari, then maybe it's a possibility. I still think this new Mountain Magic F1 of Dr. Gardeners looks like a good one, but I also understand why some would prefer to have an OP, and since MM is field adapted with EB and LB tolerance, it might be a better one to dehybridize than Camapri itself. __________________ Carolyn

July 22, 2009	#4
dokutaaguriin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada Z3a Posts: 905	You might want to try Bulgarian Triumph or dehybridize Campari. I have heard of Campari Market but I really don`t think that someone was able to stablize it in such a short amount of time. Jeff

July 23, 2009	#5
travis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 2,984	Some folks who have grown out store bought Campari seeds report getting tomatoes with hard white cores that ripen unevenly.

July 23, 2009	#6
juan_bernado Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 7	Campari is an F1 by Enza Zaden. it's one of the standard commercial varieties in europe. http://www.enzazaden.com/ cheers

February 6, 2011	#11
gourmetgardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Canada (Zone 6b) Posts: 119	You might want to try a variety called Amoroso - it's everything Campari is plus more. Doesn't do too well outside, but works really good in high tunnels or a hobby greenhouse. You can buy the seed from Tuckers Seeds, but it is Uber expensive!

March 15, 2011	#14
gourmetgardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Canada (Zone 6b) Posts: 119	If you want to try something that is very, very, very close to Campari - Try Temptation F1. It is a sister variety to Campari bred by the exact same company Enza Zaden - Osborne Seeds carries it, but it is quite expensive ($700 per thousand, but you can buy as few as 25 seeds).

August 18, 2011	#15
gourmetgardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Canada (Zone 6b) Posts: 119	Take a look at this: http://www.lindbloms.se/Lindbloms/GI...g_2011_web.pdf They have the authentic Campari - not a restricted club variety in those countries, however they cannot ship outside the EU. If you can speak swedish, have a read. Outrageously expensive though - $746 for 500 seeds, $169 for 100 seeds, or $47 for 25 seeds. Got a relative of a friend to send me 25 seeds from sweden. Put 10 plants in my greenhouse, and grew the other 15 outside - all plants grown outside had a tough pith (Caused by wide fluctuations in day/night temperatures) - varieties listed for heated greenhouse do best with fluctuations of 10 degrees celcius day/night, while varieties listed for non heated cultivation can tolerate fluctuations that more closely resemble outdoors.