help with identification

goodwin · August 27, 2009

This is from a package of Thessaloniki, but it's obviously not that variety. The plant is over 6 feet and shows the typical wispy foilage of a heart. My guess is it's a random seed, not a cross. I've saved seed because it's popular at the market, but people ask what it is. I'm just curious - know I can depend on some one here to know something.

Lee

goodwin · August 27, 2009

oh - and they are about 4 inches long, sometimes a bit larger

PNW_D · August 28, 2009

Perhaps Purple Russian

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Purple_Russian

dice · August 28, 2009

The white stippling is rare. I see it on Eva Purple Ball (a pink),
Depp's Pink Firefly, not many others. Probably not Purple
Russian:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/...ian+1.jpg.html

goodwin · August 29, 2009

I had grown Purple Russian before and remembered it as more of a large plum type with a blunter tip, but the photo on Tatiana's site looks really close. I should have thought to check her database. And Dice - you're right, the only place I've seen that dusting of white before is on a pink tomato like the one below.
And while we're on that topic, have either of you seen this sort of speckling on a tomato? This is fruit from one of the Sophie's Choice plants. The rest have the usual solid red fruit. Thanks for the help.

mjc · August 29, 2009

A couple of the pics on Tatiana's site seem to show some of that stippling...I guess I'll find out next year, as she sent me some Purple Russians as my gift seeds in my recent order. ( I was going to be looking them up later, tonight.)

They are a nice looking tomato, goodwin...

dice · August 29, 2009

The Sophie's Choice fruit does not ring a bell. One fruit on the
plant, could be a somatic mutation or environmental. If you
save seeds from that fruit and grow a few plants of it next year,
you could see if all of the fruit have it.

Ditto for the stippled plum. (Is it a pre-stable cross or a so
far anonymous OP?)

dice · August 29, 2009

Reinhard Kraft's picture of Purple Russian seems to show
a little stippling, but it is not as prominent, and I wonder if it
is simply a photographic artifact:

http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfo...le-Russian.jpg

Also Black Mavr:
http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfotos/Black-Mavr.jpg
(Different shape.)

Wi-sunflower · August 30, 2009

I'm not sure about the white, but that orange stippling is most likely environmental. I've seen that on plenty of my reds over the years. Some varieties may be more prone to it than others tho.

Carol

**carolyn137** · August 30, 2009

And while we're on that topic, have either of you seen this sort of speckling on a tomato? This is fruit from one of the Sophie's Choice plants. The rest have the usual solid red fruit. Thanks for the help

****

It's called Gold Fleck.

The true cause is not known, suggestions include weather and genetics and expression is highly variable.

If you do a Google search you'll see similar pictures, probably via Google IMAGES but I know it's discussed at several sites, the U oif MD and Cornell I saw it at just this AM when I was searching for something for someone else.

if you need links just let me know but you should be able to find it.

I've not seen it with Sophie's Choice, but it can be seen with almost any variety if conditions are right as I understand it.

And I haven't a clue as to what that other fruit is.

Lee, you say it's probably a stray seed but you haven't said how many plants you set out and how many others were true Thessaloniki. so I'm not so sure I understand why you say it's a stray seed of a known variety and not a natural cross.

goodwin · August 31, 2009

hi Carolyn -
Thanks for the information. I have seen the random pattern of rings on red tomatoes, but didn't know what it was called Gold Fleck. The pattern on the Sophie's Choice fruit is more like Tigerella - but spots rather than stripes.
The Thessaloniki seed was from a commercial packet and just one of the dozen seedlings had the thin leaves - so that's why I figured it was a stray seed. And, from my limited experience, I wouldn't expect to see these traits in the F1 with Thessaloniki as one of the parents.
I hope your season is wrapping up better than other folks back there.
Lee

jhp · September 1, 2009

My thought was purple russian too. I grew it last year. For me it was a prolific plant and shapes were variable. Some looked like what you show in your photo and some were more potato shaped.

August 28, 2009	#3
PNW_D Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 961	Perhaps Purple Russian http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Purple_Russian __________________ D.

August 28, 2009	#4
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	The white stippling is rare. I see it on Eva Purple Ball (a pink), Depp's Pink Firefly, not many others. Probably not Purple Russian: http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/...ian+1.jpg.html __________________ -- alias

August 29, 2009	#7
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	The Sophie's Choice fruit does not ring a bell. One fruit on the plant, could be a somatic mutation or environmental. If you save seeds from that fruit and grow a few plants of it next year, you could see if all of the fruit have it. Ditto for the stippled plum. (Is it a pre-stable cross or a so far anonymous OP?) __________________ -- alias

August 29, 2009	#8
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	Reinhard Kraft's picture of Purple Russian seems to show a little stippling, but it is not as prominent, and I wonder if it is simply a photographic artifact: http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfo...le-Russian.jpg Also Black Mavr: http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfotos/Black-Mavr.jpg (Different shape.) __________________ -- alias

August 30, 2009	#10
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	And while we're on that topic, have either of you seen this sort of speckling on a tomato? This is fruit from one of the Sophie's Choice plants. The rest have the usual solid red fruit. Thanks for the help **** It's called Gold Fleck. The true cause is not known, suggestions include weather and genetics and expression is highly variable. If you do a Google search you'll see similar pictures, probably via Google IMAGES but I know it's discussed at several sites, the U oif MD and Cornell I saw it at just this AM when I was searching for something for someone else. if you need links just let me know but you should be able to find it. I've not seen it with Sophie's Choice, but it can be seen with almost any variety if conditions are right as I understand it. And I haven't a clue as to what that other fruit is. Lee, you say it's probably a stray seed but you haven't said how many plants you set out and how many others were true Thessaloniki. so I'm not so sure I understand why you say it's a stray seed of a known variety and not a natural cross. __________________ Carolyn

August 27, 2009	#2
goodwin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Espanola, New Mexico Posts: 608	oh - and they are about 4 inches long, sometimes a bit larger

August 29, 2009	#6
mjc Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: WV Posts: 603	A couple of the pics on Tatiana's site seem to show some of that stippling...I guess I'll find out next year, as she sent me some Purple Russians as my gift seeds in my recent order. ( I was going to be looking them up later, tonight.) They are a nice looking tomato, goodwin...

August 30, 2009	#9
Wi-sunflower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,591	I'm not sure about the white, but that orange stippling is most likely environmental. I've seen that on plenty of my reds over the years. Some varieties may be more prone to it than others tho. Carol

August 31, 2009	#11
goodwin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Espanola, New Mexico Posts: 608	hi Carolyn - Thanks for the information. I have seen the random pattern of rings on red tomatoes, but didn't know what it was called Gold Fleck. The pattern on the Sophie's Choice fruit is more like Tigerella - but spots rather than stripes. The Thessaloniki seed was from a commercial packet and just one of the dozen seedlings had the thin leaves - so that's why I figured it was a stray seed. And, from my limited experience, I wouldn't expect to see these traits in the F1 with Thessaloniki as one of the parents. I hope your season is wrapping up better than other folks back there. Lee

September 1, 2009	#12
jhp Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 492	My thought was purple russian too. I grew it last year. For me it was a prolific plant and shapes were variable. Some looked like what you show in your photo and some were more potato shaped.