Imur prior beta???

[Medbury Gardens]

I was given two plants of Imur prior beta by a friend,all we know about it is that its a short season cropper.Does anyone know its history

[travis]

Imur Prior Beta
http://www.abundantlifeseeds.com/product/229/37

[Medbury Gardens]

Thanks travis, what struck me was how early in its growth they start to form flowers,any idea how old the variety is??

[travis]

No, I just figure it's an improvement of Bloody Butcher or some other similar European PL product (Matina, Stupice, etc.) from the last couple of decades of the previous century.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by travis

No, I just figure it's an improvement of Bloody Butcher or some other similar European PL product (Matina, Stupice, etc.) from the last couple of decades of the previous century.

The information I have from older SSE YEarbooks says that it was obtained from the Edward Louden collection in Canada and also grown in the Andes. That doesn't negate that it could still have been from Norway.

For sure it preceded Bloody Butcher which was bred by Sahin Seeds in the Netherlands quite recently and Matina was a German commercial variety, but I don't know the date and Stupice, which exists in four forms, two for outside growing and two for glasshouse growing was bred in Czechkoslovakia and I'd have to check the dates on that one as well.

I scooped up the 1986 SSE YEarbok off the floor and looked at the many listings for this variety and there was one citation to Jan Blums catalog in 1985 and I didn't go back further than 1986 b'c before that varieties were listed by state and within state by listers in that state and it's terribly hard to track things.

I was so glad that in the 1986 they switched to listing varieties by color classes.

[travis]

What is Sahin's release date for Bloody Butcher and where did he get the material that became what he released as Bloody Butcher?

I would ask similar questions about Matina. Also, the curiously rearanged name Tamina which also has the same fruit size, leaf form, earliness and continent of origin.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by travis

What is Sahin's release date for Bloody Butcher and where did he get the material that became what he released as Bloody Butcher?

I would ask similar questions about Matina. Also, the curiously rearanged name Tamina which also has the same fruit size, leaf form, earliness and continent of origin.

Bloody Butcher was released by Sahin seeds in 1998. Where did they get the material? I knew Kees Sahin very well and he maintained a tomato collection of thousands of vareties including about 400 that I sent him over the years. He even had original packets from Ben Quisenberry where Ben had written his qutations from the Bible on them as was his wont. So no lack of material. Unfortunately Kees died a few years ago but his wife Elizabeth still runs the company which is a very large one primarily involved with flowers, and if you go to the website I think you'd be surprised at the list of tomato varieties they've released that many think are heirlooms and they aren't.

All I know about Matina is that it was an older German commercial variety and I've never seed a date for it. As you know it's known in Europe as Tamina and elsewhere pretty much as Matina.

[bcday]

I looked through the Variety History Information for Imur Prior Beta in SSE's online Yearbook and the earliest listing there is from 1982 by CT BU T. The description says, "widely used in Andes Mountains, especially adapted to cool growing conditions, from Edward Lowden collection."

A listing the following year by WA LO O says "indet., potato leaf type, small deep red fruit, somewhat early, Norway," but it isn't clear to me whether he/she means that IPB was developed in Norway or if it just means that the seeds came from someone in Norway who perhaps got them from someone else.