Potato-leaved

[OneoftheEarls]

I recently sorted some PL varieties...does this look accurate?

Also, are "most" Cherokee Purple" seeds being passed around PL?

Please comment on my list if one is a RL...so I can investigate.

Earl

[travis]

Cherokee Purple is a regular leaf variety. There are potato leaf variants alleged to be mutations of Cherokee Purple the more familiar two arriving on the scene circa 1994-1995 separately in Jere Gettle's Missouri garden (no longer offered from Baker Creek after several growers got pear shaped, orange fruit a couple years back) and in an Ohio garden distributed by Bill Malin and commonly known as Spudakee, a fabulous tomato that continues to closely resemble the original Cherokee Purple but does have slightly larger seed cells arranged a bit more regularly around the core as I see it. Spudakee (potato leaf) produces more tomatoes over all and begins setting fruit and ripening just a bit earlier than Cherokee Purple (regular leaf) indicating a possible original cross at least to me.

[Wi-sunflower]

I'm not familiar with all of your varieties to know if they are ALL PL or not.

I do know that Giant Syrian is NOT PL. It is supposed to be RL. But last year I got 2 packs of seed right AT SSE when we went there. Approx 1/3 of the plants i got from those seeds produced PL plants. I saved seed and I called them Syrian Potato Leaf.

The problem is that the weather was terrible during the 2 years I grew it, so i haven't really been able to compare the 2 plants to know if they really are the same or if it was just a seed mix-up.

I recently sent some seeds for it to SpudleafWillie.

Carol

[OneoftheEarls]

thank you Travis....reminding me of Spudakee...I guess some Cherokee must throw as some seed I had did.

and Carol...aha...it was you that I got the Giant Syrian-PL from...have you ever had 2 pounders in PL, I'm not only sorting PL today but bigger tomatoes

I don't mind sharing my investigating list either

Bear Claw
Big Ben (Stump)
Big German Pink
Big Mac
Big Red
Coustralee
Delicious
Dutchman

German Giant
German Queen

Giant Belgium

Giant Oxheart

Giant Syrian

Gigantesque

Jerry’s German Giant
Mammoth German Gold

Neves Azorean
Omar’s Lebanese
Portugal Monster
Red Barn
Wes

Zogola


....I found Hungarian Giant was NOT and Big Mac and Big red are still unknown to me...


Thanks for posting!


Earl

[Wi-sunflower]

I didn't weigh most of my tomatoes last year. But of those you don't have on the list, Vjera's got over 2 lbs regularly. Our biggest was right at 2.5 lbs.

Carol

[PaulF]

In the SSE 2009 catalog there is a listing for Big Red that says it is a RL beefsteak with 10 to 16 oz. fruit. Also a Big Red Bulgarian, a RL 4 inch slicer and a Big Red Oblong.

In 2008, I grew Zore's Big Red, a large heart shaped very nice tasting tomato. I harvested 30 lbs from one plant with the largest tomato weighing 28 oz. and the average size 11 oz. It is a potato leaf.

[travis]

Earl, I looked at your list linked in the first post and regarding Amazon Chocolate, I have seeds for both regular leaf and potato leaf versions which grew out of seeds directly from Amishland Seeds. This dual persona was also the case with her so-called Lancaster County Big Pink. So, I don't know the correct leaf shape for those two.

[sfmathews]

Earl, I've grown JBT, and it was not PL for me. ANd if I remember correctly, I don't think black plum is either.

Susan

[Wi-sunflower]

i didn't think JBT was PL either, but i don't have a pic of it.

Earl listed Black Pear as PL and i grew it last year and it was RL. Here is the best pic I have.

Carol

[mtbigfish]

Earl
Are you going to gather info and re-do and make corrections to your list at some point? Then repost it?
Thanks
Dennis

[carolyn137]

[quote=OneoftheEarls;154582]thank you Travis....reminding me of Spudakee...I guess some Cherokee must throw as some seed I had did.

and Carol...aha...it was you that I got the Giant Syrian-PL from...have you ever had 2 pounders in PL, I'm not only sorting PL today but bigger tomatoes

I don't mind sharing my investigating list either

If this is a list of what you think is PL, then I just put RL where I know a variety is RL as the original and didn't take the time to look up any others.

My big problem is when the same variety is said to have both PL and RL forms and it's presumed by most that they are identical except for leaf form.

I used to believe that myself b'c I thought the only way one could go from RL to PL was by spontaneous mutation, which would make that comment true. But after a few years of talk back and forth with Keith I agree with him that there are several other molecular ways that an RL can go to PL. And those molecular mechanisms, such as looping out and transversions and repeats can involve MORE than one gene, so I no longer apriori believe that a PL variant of an RL is identical to the original RL.



Bear Claw, RL
Big Ben (Stump), RL
Big German Pink
Big Mac
Big Red, RL
Coustralee, RL
Delicious. RL
Dutchman

German Giant
German Queen

Giant Belgium . RL

Giant Oxheart

Giant Syrian

Gigantesque

Jerry’s German Giant
Mammoth German Gold

Neves Azorean. RL
Omar’s Lebanese. RL
Portugal Monster
Red Barn, RL
Wes. RL

Zogola, RL


....I found Hungarian Giant was NOT and Big Mac and Big red are still unknown to me...


Carolyn

[mtbigfish]

Carolyn
Did you click on the link in the #1 thread - Earl listed a bunch there
Dennis

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by mtbigfish

Carolyn
Did you click on the link in the #1 thread - Earl listed a bunch there
Dennis

No, I didn't click on that link b'c in post #3 Earl said he didn't mind sharing his list so I assumed what he listed was the same as what the link would have shown.

If it's different perhaps I should go back and take a look, or have others made any and all corrections?

[mtbigfish]

This was the list on the link by Earl
Please PM me with corrections or additions and I will add or subtract from this list
AS an example I put ?? on those not sure
(added) on some I knew
Placed RL where known
so when you PM me you can say ?? PL RL or add -
also added comment to Giant Syrian as an example before dropping from list will get concensus

Dennis
Amazon Chocolate
Aunt Gertie's Gold
Aunt Ginny’s Purple
Black Pear
Black Sea Man
Bloody Butcher
Blue Fruit
Blue Ridge Mountain
Brandywines (not All)
Brianna
Cabin ??
Cherokee Purple -- as Spudakee
Cooper’s Special ??
Depp’s Pink Firefly
Earl’s Faux
Elbe
Flathead Monster ??
Galinas
Gary O’Sena
German Pink
German Queen
Giant Syrian Per Wi-Sunflower not PL
Glacier
Grandfather Ashlock
Grandpa Charlie
Grandpa Willie
Grub’s Mystery Green
Hillbilly has both versions RL PL
Japanese Black Trifele
Julia Child
KBX from Kelloggs Breakfast
Kentucky Plate
Kimberly
Kotlas
Large Mennonite Heritage
Lenny & Gracie Kentucky Heirloom
Lillian’s Yellow
Liz Birt
Lucky Cross
Magnus
Marianna’s Peace
Matina
Missouri Pink Love Apple
Mule Team ?? is it both
Old German ?? Old German Pink
Olena Ukranian
Orlov Yellow (added)
Polish C
Polish (Ellis)
Pruden’s Purple
Purple Haze
Purple Purfect (added)
Red House Freestanding ??
Ruby Sport ??
Shah/Mikado (White ??) ??
Shirley Amish Red (added)
Slava (added)
Soldacki
Spudalucie ??
Spudatula
Spudayellow Strawberry
Stump of the World
Stupice
Ten Foot Large Red Pole ??
Throwback Potato Leaf ??
Tidwell German ??
Tiffen Mennonite (added)
Victoria
Vintage Wine
Wanda’s Potato Top
Watermelon Beefsteak
Wins All? ? Henderson's Winsall RL
Yellow Perfection
Yellow Submarine
Yugoslavian Heart (added)

[carolyn137]

All of those are supposed to be PL and Earl wants that confirmed by folks here?

Well they aren't all PL, actually many of them aren't PL but it's almost 4 AM and I'm going back to bed.