Vladivostoksij

[lilhammerlane]

They are up! This variety was given to me by Bill Malin via Dean Slater-
I saved another Russian variety from going extinct.
The date on the pack is 1995, so how did I get a 16 year old seed to germinate?
1/4 bleach....3/4 water....soak for 15 minutes.
strain very well for at least a minute, and run your finger over them to remove any bleach.

If anyone has any info or pics on these, please post
Thanks-

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by lilhammerlane

They are up! This variety was given to me by Bill Malin via Dean Slater-
I saved another Russian variety from going extinct.
The date on the pack is 1995, so how did I get a 16 year old seed to germinate?
1/4 bleach....3/4 water....soak for 15 minutes.
strain very well for at least a minute, and run your finger over them to remove any bleach.

If anyone has any info or pics on these, please post
Thanks-

Blane, I'm not too sure why you listed it in the Legacy Forum but I can tell you it's been listed in SSE YEarbooks going back to at least 1994, I didn't look earlier, but not more recent Yearbooks and can tell you that it's about an 80 day variety, indet, regular leaf with pink 4-6 oz paste fruits.

One person said it should be red, but he got pink as have others.

Ventmarin lists it but has no information at all and no picture, so let us know what it turns out to be as grown by you. And one person said fist shape to heart shape and the description of it as a 4-6 oz paste type got his seeds from the person who said fist to heart shape.

Just noting that Bill M was an SSE member at the time span when this variety was being listed in the SSE YEarbook in the mid to late 90's so that's no doubt his source unless the packet says otherwise. Yup, just checked and Bill was living in Silver City NM at that time and was a listed member with just two listings in 1994 but of course had access to anything that was listed.

But I don't think it's a legacy variety, just one of the many probably CV's that were developed in the former USSR.

I know someone who probably still has seeds for it if you want to explore it further b'c he, like me, never throws out any saved seed so I don't think it's an extinct variety by any means and SSE probably still has seeds for it in their seed bank since at that time almost all of us sent back seeds to them for varieties we grew. They'd sent us the going request price for the seeds but I personally don't know anyone who kept that money, we'd just send back the money and the seeds

Waking up 1995 seed is great and I'm delighted that Mark McCaslin, whom you know, just woke up a rare variety from my saved 1993 seeds and I couldn't be happier. It's a rare nor/rin mutant called Dourne D' Hiver which I got from France in 1992 and Mark wants to use it in his breeding projects. Gorgeous coloration, I've never seen anything like it, but you have to take an axe to it to get out the seeds.

[lilhammerlane]

Thanks Carolyn-
Ill keep ya posted on these this summer.
Sorry about putting this in here, you may move it if needed-

Glad to hear about Mark germinating that for ya, and yes Ill be watching his progress too!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by lilhammerlane

Thanks Carolyn-
Ill keep ya posted on these this summer.
Sorry about putting this in here, you may move it if needed-

Glad to hear about Mark germinating that for ya, and yes Ill be watching his progress too!

Blane, you thought it was extinct which is why you posted it here and thought you were saving that variety from extinction.

I understand why you used this Legacy Forum to psot, but I'm not going to move it b'c I seriouely doubt that many others have additional information, I could be wrong and if I am then it's just more info for you.

As I said, Ventmarin lists it, no info given and no picture, Tania doesn't list it, it's only a few of us old codgers, ahem, who were around when it was being SSE listed who would know of it I would imagine.

Wait a minute here, I can call myself an old codger but I don't mean to call others who were SSE members at that time old codgers.

[carolyn137]

Back again Blane.

As I was heading out to read the Sunday paper I realized that you noted the name with the Russian spelling, which is correct but the same variety was listed in the SSE YEarbooks with the anglicized, non-Russian spelling which says to me that if you look on the seed pack or ask Bill, he probably got it somewhere other than the SSE Yearbook although he was a listed member at that time.

Now to read the Sunday paper and get ready for a great day of TV tennis watching from Miami and I can see the Palm trees swaying and although that should make me feel warmer, it doesn't. I hate this continued COLD weather, down to 15 F last night and it's almost April.

[lilhammerlane]

Heres the packet, look familiar?
I noted my soaking time and days to germ...

[fortyonenorth]

95 GERM KL J

Not 100% sure, but this probably means that Spud got it in 1995 from someone with the SSE member code GERM KL J - "GERM" being Germany; "KL" being the first two letters of the last name; "J" first letter of the first name. e.g. Carolyn Male would be NY MA C.

I don't find that code as being active, but that was a long time ago. Carolyn might be able to look at the '95 yearbook.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by fortyonenorth

95 GERM KL J

Not 100% sure, but this probably means that Spud got it in 1995 from someone with the SSE member code GERM KL J - "GERM" being Germany; "KL" being the first two letters of the last name; "J" first letter of the first name. e.g. Carolyn Male would be NY MA C.

I don't find that code as being active, but that was a long time ago. Carolyn might be able to look at the '95 yearbook.

I just checked the 94 and 95 YEarbooks and while there were members from Germany, none with those initials. Besides no one listed that variety with the russian spelling.

I should have mentioned this earlier but forgot to, and that's that at that time Bill was also dealing with Prof Klapprott at Gatersleben, the German Seed bank. And his name is Jurgen Klapprott which matches the initials on the seed pack you showed.

So it would still be there in their seedbank as well as in the SSE seedbank as well as with a few SSE members who probably still have seed for it.

At that time Bill was getting varieties from Prof Klapprott and of course the seed pack says Russian Collection, so there are probably more seed packs with similar initials if Bill got the collection.

In addition to that Bill was also starting to scoop up as many PL varieties as he could and back then Craig LeHoullier and I were sending him our PL varieties in exchange for ones he got from there and otherwise for ones we didn't have.

And well I remember SSE member Curtis Choplin from SC who got Riesentraube from Prof Klapprott and as soon as Curtis listed that one we were all over him with requests b;c while that variety was known in many European countries, under different names of the local language, one was translated out to Goat's T*T, it haden't been seen in the US since the mid-1800's and that's documented as being in PA at that time. So it isn't strictly a German variety but we have it with the German spelling.

[lilhammerlane]

What is Goats T*T?
Isnt that a paste type?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by lilhammerlane

What is Goats T*T?
Isnt that a paste type?

There are two known varieties, as follows:

Cow's T*T
Goatbag

What I was saying is that the variety Riesentraube as we know it in German was known in other languages as well in Europe and in one of them, I think it was Hungarian, I used to know, it was known as Goats
T*T which describes the small nipple found at the blossom end of each Riesentraube fruit.