Dr. Carolyn Pink - does this look right

[tam91]

Is this what the greenies should look like - or does it look like I'm going to have the larger version?

The largest greenie looks like it has more of a ribbed, beefsteak shape. The one behind it is round, but it's still tiny.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by tam91

Is this what the greenies should look like - or does it look like I'm going to have the larger version?

The largest greenie looks like it has more of a ribbed, beefsteak shape. The one behind it is round, but it's still tiny.

Tracy, even immature fruits should be round, not what I see next to the coin as ribbed, as you also noted. And the one in the background I don't see as round, I see it as more of a small plum shape at this point.

So I'm not so sure you have Dr. Carolyn Pink.

Where did you get your seeds? And I ask b/c in my recent seed offer, I just checked, there were two sources. One source was donated seeds from 2007 and the other source were 2004 seeds saved by me.

Of course you could have also gotten them elsewhere. When there have been two sources for the same variety in the same seed offer almost all the time folks will pick the ones that are newer, so in this case the donated seeds (2007) vs my seeds ( 2004)

Why not let it go more and see how those fruits size up and note if you do have more ribbed ones or ones of even a different shape and then take some pictures and share with us what you have and what your conclusions are.

I know that my 2004 seeds are OK, as grown by others, but there can always be surprises, but I haven't grown out the donated seeds but I don't think they'd be donated if the person donating them thought they were OK, but again, there can always be surprises with OP seed.

[tam91]

I was pretty suspicious when I saw those ribs. Well, it will be interesting to see if I get cherries, beefsteaks, or what. I'll check with my friend(s) who I gave plants to (need to check my records to see who else got one) and see what theirs do.

I understand things can happen with OP, and also apparently this variety isn't completely stable. Well, there's always next year. These seeds came from Carol (Knapps).

I'll let it grow, heck, it'll be a tomato, we can eat it - I'll keep track and see what happens.

If it's not right, I'll try again next year - perhaps I will get in on your seed offer, and get some of the 2004 ones - I don't mind trying the older ones, one of the older ones you so kindly sent me this year germinated just fine.

[carolyn137]

I understand things can happen with OP, and also apparently this variety isn't completely stable

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It's been completely stable since the seeds for what he named Dr. Carolyn Pink were sent to me by an SSE member, the only instability being fruit size, but not shape.

And unless you have a plant with ones that are the size of the fruits of Dr. Carolyn, and a plant of Dr. Carolyn pink that has the larger size fruits it's perhaps a bit hard to tell. Both sizes are cherries, just one larger than the other and one plant does not have both sizes, each plant having one size or the other.

Taste to me is about the same, maybe a wee nod to the smaller size, but opinions are varied on that issue, but not by much as in the oft said....your taste mileage may vary.

[tam91]

Ah, I understand re. the stability. I thought I read there was the occasional red one, maybe I'm mistaken - I'll go back to Tania's, and read it again.

Well, I'll keep an eye on it and see what I get. I would like to get those cherries - they look so pretty (and yummy).

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by tam91

Ah, I understand re. the stability. I thought I read there was the occasional red one, maybe I'm mistaken - I'll go back to Tania's, and read it again.

Well, I'll keep an eye on it and see what I get. I would like to get those cherries - they look so pretty (and yummy).

OK, let me save youi the trip to Tania's website b'c I'm the one who discovered the variety then named Dr. Carolyn by Steve , for I called it Ivory mutant at first. LOL

The whole history of this variety is here at Tville in many threads so I'll jsut summarize.

At first Dr. C was throwing some red frujited plants, that is true, and then that disapperaed and I haven't seen anyone speak of red fruited plant in many many years.

Then the Dr. C Pink appeared and that's been stable excpet for fruit size.

The from Dr. C came the GWripe Green Doctors and that's been stable except for:

Green Doctors Frosted which is the same as Green Doctors except for a change in the epicermis from yellow to clear.

All of them cherries and all stable for what they appeared as, due to mutation for the last one.

I don't know what's coming next, but it won't be a reversion to a red fruited plant whi happened many many years ago and with distribution of new saved seed, as I said above, I haven't seen any reds since the first or second year I grew what Steve named Dr. Carolyn, which I found as dervied from saved seeds from Galina's Yellow.

As I noted, I've posted here and elsewhere about Dr, Carolyn, nee my ivory mutatant, in probably excrutiatingly detail, which I won't do here, just a summary here and I hope this helps.

Back to Wimbledon, have to see Djoko vic and the rest and how they're doing.

[tam91]

Thank you. I have Green Doctors Frosted this year, in addition to my (supposed) Dr. Carolyn Pink. This will be my first green when ripe, so I'm looking forward to it.

Oh yes.... Wimbledon, thank you for reminding me.

[Wi-sunflower]

I'm not sure where I got my Dr Carolyn Pink seeds from originally without digging out my grow book from 08 or 09. That year I got the seed from 2 sources. One produced the normal DCP, the other produced a larger fruited pink. They were not grown next to each other when I saved seeds and I've kept the seeds separated as I like the larger one too.

But I have noticed that there is a bit of variation in what was supposed to be the correct one. Most seem OK but a few will be bigger fruited.

Carol

[tam91]

Oh, don't worry Carol. It will be interesting to see what it grows out. A mini pink beefsteak would be really cool, if that's what happens. We'll see.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Wi-sunflower

I'm not sure where I got my Dr Carolyn Pink seeds from originally without digging out my grow book from 08 or 09. That year I got the seed from 2 sources. One produced the normal DCP, the other produced a larger fruited pink. They were not grown next to each other when I saved seeds and I've kept the seeds separated as I like the larger one too.

But I have noticed that there is a bit of variation in what was supposed to be the correct one. Most seem OK but a few will be bigger fruited.

Carol

Carol, as Tam just implied, it's not the small and larger fruited cherries, it's what she pictured which is a mini beefsteak as Tam called it b'c it's ribbed. Regardless of the fruit size the fruits are smooth, not ribbed.

[Wi-sunflower]

Yes you are right that both the normal and large DCPs are round for me too.

What that looks like is some of the brandywine x cherry crosses I have. I have 3 of them now but only had Brandysweet Plum the year I collected both DCP. That one could be a stray seed or possibly if Tracy ordered Brandysweet Plum too, a mix-up on either of our parts.

Carol

[dice]

I had mini-Brandywine shaped cherry tomatoes on
a Dr. Carolyn Pink plant, seeds from Carolyn.
Few flowers per cluster.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by dice

I had mini-Brandywine shaped cherry tomatoes on a Dr. Carolyn Pink
plant, seeds from Carolyn. Few flowers per cluster.

Interesting b'c since you've already grown it and seeds from me that would have to be the 2004 seeds and I SSE listed them for five years and of course also offered them here in my seed offer the past several years but as far as I can remember you're the first person who has ever referred to mini beefsteaks other than Tam.

Are we dealing with an enviromental issue here? Hard to know at this point as I see it.

So what did those mini ones turn out to be like when mature?

Some things I remember well, others I don't, but the plant that was the source of those 2004 seeds I remember well and exactly where it was in the raised bed in the backyard. That summer I was growing hundreds of plants and varieties at Charlie's farm but had 12 plants here in the raised bed and I know KBX was another one there. Another one was Dot's Delight and just for the record that's not a new variety. Dorothy was growing a known variety, got a PL variant of it and named it Dot's Delight. But neither Craig nor I can remember what the name of the original variety was.

I also remember the year well b'c it was in Dec of 2004 that I fell which put me into this walker and forever changed what I could do re tomato growing.

[tam91]

I did not order Brandysweet Plum. So either it's some sort of cross, or mixup, or I'll get what Dice did.

Re. environmental issue - like what? I suspect my growing conditions may be different from Dice's, as I'm forced to grow in containers. It's been mostly a cool spring and early summer here except for a few days, quite a bit of rain. Any other environmental issue I should report?

I'll have to go see how things are developing with that plant, if it EVER stops raining. Sigh.

Carolyn, sorry to bring up a sad memory (although I'm sure you never forget).

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by tam91

I did not order Brandysweet Plum. So either it's some sort of cross, or mixup, or I'll get what Dice did.

Re. environmental issue - like what? I suspect my growing conditions may be different from Dice's, as I'm forced to grow in containers. It's been mostly a cool spring and early summer here except for a few days, quite a bit of rain. Any other environmental issue I should report?

I'll have to go see how things are developing with that plant, if it EVER stops raining. Sigh.

Carolyn, sorry to bring up a sad memory (although I'm sure you never forget).

Tracy, I have absolutely no idea what I meant by some environmental issue,, and just said that b'c of all the years I've grown DR. Carolyn Pink and all the years I offered it in my SSE listing andall the years I offered it here at Tville in my seed offer not one person, and that includes me, have ever seen a mini-beefsteak type fruit.

So when something totally unknown to me happens to a variety I introduced and know well the first thing I do is punt and see where the ball goes.

Now back to Wombledon and yet more rain today and lots of it.