Without Change - There would be no "New" ~

Tomstrees · July 11, 2006

Hey everyone,
hope you're all having a
banner season ~

I was thinking to myself
lately, that I like to find something "new"
in my garden -
whether it be a cross, or volunteers,
or anything !
I'm all for preserving the past and keeping
them around for centuries to come -

But the time is NOW to make or find new
varieties !!! Isn't that what our tomato founders
did years and years ago ?
"Natural Selection" / breeding etc. ???

In my opinion:
If you've got voluteers ? Grow em -
If you have a cross ? Stabilize it !
Lets do it !!! Lets make new heirlooms
for the future ,
while preserving the past !!!

~ Tom

ps.
sorry for the rant ...
I want ALL of us to have our own
"project/tomato" ; just like lots of people
before us did ~

**nctomatoman** · July 11, 2006

Agreed, Tom - I suspect that this has been done all along by home gardeners (and contributes to the large array of heirlooms available to us all through the SSE and other mechanisms); certainly me and many of us here always include mysteries and experiments in our gardens. Our Dwarf project is an example that is being played out right here on Tville!

bully · July 11, 2006

Quote:

In my opinion:
If you've got voluteers ? Grow em -
If you have a cross ? Stabilize it !
Lets do it !!! Lets make new heirlooms
for the future ,
while preserving the past !!!

~ Tom

By God man, you're the William Wallace of Tomatoville!

Tears ran down my cheeks as I read your inspirational charge. I'm off to rip all those pain in the arse bags off my blossoms.....as soon as I finish peeling these onions.

"HaaZaa!" I say and "Long Live Earls's Faux Faux"
(that's the official name of E F reg leaf)

chilhuacle · July 11, 2006

And I agree Tom. Makes me not want to bag any more too.

I have what I think is a Tangella / Black Cherry cross that looks (and tastes) promising and also a volunteer from the year after growing Sweet Million. It has been true for 3 years; thin-skinned, delicious, and you can’t make it crack on the vine no matter what you do. It was DW's favorite ‘til she got a taste of Odoriko last season.

Here it is next to Sungold:

Mantis · July 11, 2006

I did three deliberate crosses last year and plan more this year. I then plan to send out the F2's as known varieties Muuuhhahah

grunt · July 12, 2006

I have a San Francisco Fog PL variation growing this year. Anyone want to get in on the attempt to see if it's stable?

Tomstrees · July 12, 2006

I just like to see unexpected things
pop up sometimes ~
By all means, I'm not saying unbag your
blossoms ... or cross everything in your garden ~
But what I am saying, is give crosses and volunteers
a chance ~ who knows what you'll get ...
And if you're making a deliberate cross ?
Good for you ~ now stabilize it !!!

~ Tom

Dunkel · July 12, 2006

Yes indeed, mysteries are fun! I have 3 going this year (4 if you count the Super Beefsteak plant that came up PL I gave to a friend.) Mountaineer Mystery (most of y'all know about that one), I have what appears to be a rugose leafed semi determinate that the seed pack was marked "Unknown Red Potato Leaf), and a dwarf that came from Sweet Thing (grape) seeds. Here's a pic of that one...

[Image resized/rehosted -- S.]

WVTomatoMan · July 12, 2006

"Good for you ~ now stabilize it !!! "
I'm working on it!!! It takes time!!!

- I'm a kidder please be patient with my warped sense of humor.

I'm into crosses. What a blast. Since you brought it up, does anyone know if there are any/many PL grape tomatoes? The reason I ask is because I may have one. I had been thinning out the PL seedlings because the variety that I'm trying to stabilize is RL. I kept wondering what I was throwing away, so I decided to keep a couple of the PLs this time around. One appears to be a small beefsteak and the other is the aforementioned PL grape.

Edit: As I think about it, I'm not sure if it is a grape or just oval shaped. Should I start another thread and post a picture?

Randy

spudleafwillie · July 12, 2006

Randy, I know of 2 grape pl varieties, Sweet Olive and Juliet. I'm sure there are others
Regards,
Spud

spudleafwillie · July 12, 2006

Grunt, Dunkel, WV Tomatoman, and others with PL variants growing,

PL varieties are my passion as you well know. "There is always room for one more "spudleaf in my house." Put my name on the list to on the attempt to see if they are stable ? PM me with the PL varieties you have!!!

Grunt,
I'll take some of those take some seed from the PL variant you found in the RL San Francisco Fog. How about "Golden Gate Mist" PL for a moniker (name). It's your choice. PL me with your snailmail info and I'll send a SASE and some unusuual PL's I have
Dunkel, the same goes for the Super Beefsteak plant that came up PL

WV Tomatoman, Ditto for you also on your newly found PL's.
Best regards,
Bill Malin

Tomstrees · July 12, 2006

Just for the record ...
I wrote to preserve the old time maters ;
(aka bag blossoms) but at the same time ...
try to make something new and different ~
Thats what the farmers of the early 1900's did ...
Why can't we ?
They weren't educated in horticulture ; they just did what tasted good ~
I do understand the deeper meaning of " it all "...
Sorry to have to explain myself here ...
Bullys bugged me out !!!

~ Tom

bully · July 12, 2006

I know you did Tom..i was just teasing..I know you know that

Mantis · July 13, 2006

Your a baad man Bully 8)

Tomstrees · July 13, 2006

Everythings cool ~
I just don't want to make anyone upset ~
I think I've made it pretty clear about
"bagging your blossoms" !!!

~ Tom

July 11, 2006	#1
Tomstrees Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Bayshore Posts: 3,848	Without Change - There would be no "New" ~ Hey everyone, hope you're all having a banner season ~ I was thinking to myself lately, that I like to find something "new" in my garden - whether it be a cross, or volunteers, or anything ! I'm all for preserving the past and keeping them around for centuries to come - But the time is NOW to make or find new varieties !!! Isn't that what our tomato founders did years and years ago ? "Natural Selection" / breeding etc. ??? In my opinion: If you've got voluteers ? Grow em - If you have a cross ? Stabilize it ! Lets do it !!! Lets make new heirlooms for the future , while preserving the past !!! ~ Tom ps. sorry for the rant ... I want ALL of us to have our own "project/tomato" ; just like lots of people before us did ~ __________________ My green thumb came only as a result of the mistakes I made while learning to see things from the plant's point of view. ~ H. Fred Ale

July 11, 2006	#2
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	Agreed, Tom - I suspect that this has been done all along by home gardeners (and contributes to the large array of heirlooms available to us all through the SSE and other mechanisms); certainly me and many of us here always include mysteries and experiments in our gardens. Our Dwarf project is an example that is being played out right here on Tville! __________________ Craig

July 11, 2006	#4
chilhuacle Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Concord CA z9b, just west of Tomatoville Posts: 415	And I agree Tom. Makes me not want to bag any more too. I have what I think is a Tangella / Black Cherry cross that looks (and tastes) promising and also a volunteer from the year after growing Sweet Million. It has been true for 3 years; thin-skinned, delicious, and you can’t make it crack on the vine no matter what you do. It was DW's favorite ‘til she got a taste of Odoriko last season. Here it is next to Sungold: __________________ Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks. Bruce

July 12, 2006	#6
grunt Tomatovillian™ Honoree Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wynndel, B.C., in the Kootenays just above the Idaho panhandle Posts: 35	I have a San Francisco Fog PL variation growing this year. Anyone want to get in on the attempt to see if it's stable? __________________ Gonna get it RIGHT this year ... maybe.

July 12, 2006	#7
Tomstrees Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Bayshore Posts: 3,848	I just like to see unexpected things pop up sometimes ~ By all means, I'm not saying unbag your blossoms ... or cross everything in your garden ~ But what I am saying, is give crosses and volunteers a chance ~ who knows what you'll get ... And if you're making a deliberate cross ? Good for you ~ now stabilize it !!! ~ Tom __________________ My green thumb came only as a result of the mistakes I made while learning to see things from the plant's point of view. ~ H. Fred Ale

July 11, 2006	#5
Mantis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 1,241	I did three deliberate crosses last year and plan more this year. I then plan to send out the F2's as known varieties Muuuhhahah

July 12, 2006	#8
Dunkel Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West By God Virginia Posts: 245	Yes indeed, mysteries are fun! I have 3 going this year (4 if you count the Super Beefsteak plant that came up PL I gave to a friend.) Mountaineer Mystery (most of y'all know about that one), I have what appears to be a rugose leafed semi determinate that the seed pack was marked "Unknown Red Potato Leaf), and a dwarf that came from Sweet Thing (grape) seeds. Here's a pic of that one... [Image resized/rehosted -- S.] __________________ I plant... Therefore I am. - Dunkel What the country needs is dirtier fingernails and cleaner minds. - Will Rogers

July 12, 2006	#9
WVTomatoMan Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: West Virginia - Zone 6 Posts: 594	"Good for you ~ now stabilize it !!! " I'm working on it!!! It takes time!!! - I'm a kidder please be patient with my warped sense of humor. I'm into crosses. What a blast. Since you brought it up, does anyone know if there are any/many PL grape tomatoes? The reason I ask is because I may have one. I had been thinning out the PL seedlings because the variety that I'm trying to stabilize is RL. I kept wondering what I was throwing away, so I decided to keep a couple of the PLs this time around. One appears to be a small beefsteak and the other is the aforementioned PL grape. Edit: As I think about it, I'm not sure if it is a grape or just oval shaped. Should I start another thread and post a picture? Randy

July 12, 2006	#10
spudleafwillie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 7b sw New Mexico,. Posts: 197	PL grape tomato varieties Randy, I know of 2 grape pl varieties, Sweet Olive and Juliet. I'm sure there are others Regards, Spud

July 12, 2006	#11
spudleafwillie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 7b sw New Mexico,. Posts: 197	Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 13 Location: Kootenays Without Grunt, Dunkel, WV Tomatoman, and others with PL variants growing, PL varieties are my passion as you well know. "There is always room for one more "spudleaf in my house." Put my name on the list to on the attempt to see if they are stable ? PM me with the PL varieties you have!!! Grunt, I'll take some of those take some seed from the PL variant you found in the RL San Francisco Fog. How about "Golden Gate Mist" PL for a moniker (name). It's your choice. PL me with your snailmail info and I'll send a SASE and some unusuual PL's I have Dunkel, the same goes for the Super Beefsteak plant that came up PL WV Tomatoman, Ditto for you also on your newly found PL's. Best regards, Bill Malin

July 12, 2006	#13
bully Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: S.E. MI Posts: 794	I know you did Tom..i was just teasing..I know you know that

July 13, 2006	#14
Mantis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 1,241	Your a baad man Bully 8)