Ciliegia - a flawless cherry tomato?

Marko · July 13, 2011

I bought a packet of cherry tomato seeds past winter in Italy while my DW was buying clothes. On the packet it says only Pomodoro ciliegia - cherry tomato.
It turned to be the best and most prolific cherry tomato I ever grew.
Plant is now 2.5m/8.2ft high and is loaded with fruits. Fruits are the same size and shape as Sun Sugar. Taste is excellent, sweet with real tomato flavor. No cracking, no dropping ripe fruits, no thick skin, seems to be quite heat and disease resistant.
Perhaps the only drawback is lack of name.

Alpinejs · July 13, 2011

Maurko...that tomato sounds like a winner. However, my search did not turn up any seed sources. Do you have any sources?

Thanks for any help possible.

Jim Stolee
alpinejims@yahoo.com

Marko · July 14, 2011

Jim, I think it's a created no name variety. Quite a common thing in Europe. People here are not interested in fancy names, they prefer simple description. So this is a cherry tomato from Flortis company.
I don't think it's a hybrid, because the price was less than 2€ for 250 seeds.

Iva · July 14, 2011

Marko, long time no 'hear'

That one sounds like a winner! I wouldn't mind getting a couple of seeds to try growing them next year

A trade is due this fall! Is everything else growing well for you? You are missed on our home forums...

**carolyn137** · July 14, 2011

Marko, maybe you can produce enough seeds to offer it here as a trade or even non-trade situation in the Seed Exchange Forum, in the Trade Subforum. I do my free annual seed offer, no trades wanted, in the Trade Subforum, as I think you already know, as do others.

That way you wouldn't have folks asking for seeds in this thread or PMing you, which can get sticky.

I'm of the opinion that if someone has seeds to offer they should do it in the Seed Exchange Subforum which I think works out best for everyone.

Would that be a possibility?

Iva, being from Solvenia yourself, I'm sure Marko would send you those seeds in the trade situation that you already mentioned.

Marko, I looked at the name on the seed pack and was going to suggest that you name the variety Flortis Cherry.

Iva · July 14, 2011

Carolyn, I agree everyone should do the trading in the trading section but me and Marko go way back on our home forums. We've traded many times so this was just a 'joke' kind of a thing...

I do love the idea of naming it Flortis Cherry

**carolyn137** · July 14, 2011

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Originally Posted by Iva

Carolyn, I agree everyone should do the trading in the trading section but me and Marko go way back on our home forums. We've traded many times so this was just a 'joke' kind of a thing...

I do love the idea of naming it Flortis Cherry

(Iva, being from Solvenia yourself, I'm sure Marko would send you those seeds in the trade situation that you already mentioned.

Iva, that's what I wrote in the post above yours. I guess you didn't see it before you wrote your post.

velikipop · July 15, 2011

Ciliega is the name of the tomato, while Fortis is the seed company. I bought a pack of the same seed sold by Larosa Emanule in 2009, distributed in Canada by Weston seeds. Tania also lists the variety on her website. I don't think renaming it would be a good idea.

I have yet to try growing it but will give it a try next year.

Marko, I bought a variety called Jasmin red, in Serbia this year. It is another red cherry type and I believe an open pollinated one. I would be happy to send some seed to you and to Iva and Carolyn if you are interested.

Alex

DiggingDogFarm · July 15, 2011

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Originally Posted by velikipop

Ciliega is the name of the tomato.......

Ciliegia is the Italian word for cherry. Thus, there are many Italian 'cherry' tomatoes referred to as Ciliegia.

Marty

Marko · July 15, 2011

Alex, I've never heard of Jasmin red, but I'd like to try it.
Regarding name ciliegia, I think Marty is right, there are many ciliegia tomatoes. I haven't found this one on Tania's list. Im not yet thinking of renaiming it, but if I do then it will be Flortis Cherry. Right now I'm fermenting over 2000 seeds and I'll offer them in trade subforum at the end of season.

**carolyn137** · July 15, 2011

Marko, I bought a variety called Jasmin red, in Serbia this year. It is another red cherry type and I believe an open pollinated one. I would be happy to send some seed to you and to Iva and Carolyn if you are interested.

*****

Sure I'm interested Alex, actually with Jasmin and with the other one as well, whatever it ends up being called.

I'm growing another Italian cherry, this one apparently an heirloom, as well as several new ones from Andrey. But fingers crossed for Dragon Heart, Cuore del Drago, b/c I love the name. How does Russian Queen sound to you? A new one from Reinhard in Germany.

Best I should shut up now, but yes, would love to trade with you come late Fall when I know what seed I'll have from this summer's growouts, almost all new varieties and seed production being done by three great friends, well actually four since Craig LeHoullier, who raised my plants for me decided to snitch some of the extras for some of them and he's got them going as well.

I can do some seed production here at home if Freda is here to help but it's a real bummer trying to set up and process fermentations while being in this walker. But I insist on growing any variety I expect to offer seeds for so that I can see it, taste it, and make up my own mind about it.

velikipop · July 15, 2011

Well, that is good to know. I assumed that ciliega was the name and not the type. This then raises the question whether what I have is the same as the Flortis?

Carolyn, I would like some Russian Queen for sure! I have a few other Italian and Serbian varities that I'll send along.

I don't think I have either of your addresses, so if yo send me a PM with it I will get these out to you next week.

Alex

DiggingDogFarm · July 16, 2011

Here's an Italian ciliegia tomato that appears to be open-pollinated (hybrid isn't mentioned in the description).

I wonder if there's a reason why they've removed the leaves, other than looks?

Pomodoro Ciliegino Genio

http://www.ilpomodoroitaliano.it/var...ori_genio.html

Marty

zipcode · July 17, 2011

Pruning the bottom leaves is standard greenhouse procedure. Besides the fact that it helps with picking the tomatoes, it improves air movement to avoid diseases, and I suspect it also forces the plant for more top growth.

dokutaaguriin · July 17, 2011

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Originally Posted by zipcode

Pruning the bottom leaves is standard greenhouse procedure. Besides the fact that it helps with picking the tomatoes, it improves air movement to avoid diseases, and I suspect it also forces the plant for more top growth.

When do they prune above the truss? After the first fruit turns?

Jeff

July 13, 2011	#2
Alpinejs Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Alpine, Calif. in winter. Sandpoint Lake, Ont. Canada summers Posts: 850	ciliegia Maurko...that tomato sounds like a winner. However, my search did not turn up any seed sources. Do you have any sources? Thanks for any help possible. Jim Stolee alpinejims@yahoo.com

July 14, 2011	#5
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Marko, maybe you can produce enough seeds to offer it here as a trade or even non-trade situation in the Seed Exchange Forum, in the Trade Subforum. I do my free annual seed offer, no trades wanted, in the Trade Subforum, as I think you already know, as do others. That way you wouldn't have folks asking for seeds in this thread or PMing you, which can get sticky. I'm of the opinion that if someone has seeds to offer they should do it in the Seed Exchange Subforum which I think works out best for everyone. Would that be a possibility? Iva, being from Solvenia yourself, I'm sure Marko would send you those seeds in the trade situation that you already mentioned. Marko, I looked at the name on the seed pack and was going to suggest that you name the variety Flortis Cherry. __________________ Carolyn

July 15, 2011	#8
velikipop Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 768	Ciliega is the name of the tomato, while Fortis is the seed company. I bought a pack of the same seed sold by Larosa Emanule in 2009, distributed in Canada by Weston seeds. Tania also lists the variety on her website. I don't think renaming it would be a good idea. I have yet to try growing it but will give it a try next year. Marko, I bought a variety called Jasmin red, in Serbia this year. It is another red cherry type and I believe an open pollinated one. I would be happy to send some seed to you and to Iva and Carolyn if you are interested. Alex __________________ I'll plant and I'll harvest what the earth brings forth The hammer's on the table, the pitchfork's on the shelf Bob Dylan

July 15, 2011	#11
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Marko, I bought a variety called Jasmin red, in Serbia this year. It is another red cherry type and I believe an open pollinated one. I would be happy to send some seed to you and to Iva and Carolyn if you are interested. ***** Sure I'm interested Alex, actually with Jasmin and with the other one as well, whatever it ends up being called. I'm growing another Italian cherry, this one apparently an heirloom, as well as several new ones from Andrey. But fingers crossed for Dragon Heart, Cuore del Drago, b/c I love the name. How does Russian Queen sound to you? A new one from Reinhard in Germany. Best I should shut up now, but yes, would love to trade with you come late Fall when I know what seed I'll have from this summer's growouts, almost all new varieties and seed production being done by three great friends, well actually four since Craig LeHoullier, who raised my plants for me decided to snitch some of the extras for some of them and he's got them going as well. I can do some seed production here at home if Freda is here to help but it's a real bummer trying to set up and process fermentations while being in this walker. But I insist on growing any variety I expect to offer seeds for so that I can see it, taste it, and make up my own mind about it. __________________ Carolyn

July 15, 2011	#12
velikipop Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 768	Well, that is good to know. I assumed that ciliega was the name and not the type. This then raises the question whether what I have is the same as the Flortis? Carolyn, I would like some Russian Queen for sure! I have a few other Italian and Serbian varities that I'll send along. I don't think I have either of your addresses, so if yo send me a PM with it I will get these out to you next week. Alex __________________ I'll plant and I'll harvest what the earth brings forth The hammer's on the table, the pitchfork's on the shelf Bob Dylan

July 14, 2011	#3
Marko Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Slovenia, Europe zone 7b Posts: 300	Jim, I think it's a created no name variety. Quite a common thing in Europe. People here are not interested in fancy names, they prefer simple description. So this is a cherry tomato from Flortis company. I don't think it's a hybrid, because the price was less than 2€ for 250 seeds.

July 14, 2011	#4
Iva Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Slovenia, EU Posts: 249	Marko, long time no 'hear' That one sounds like a winner! I wouldn't mind getting a couple of seeds to try growing them next year A trade is due this fall! Is everything else growing well for you? You are missed on our home forums...

July 16, 2011	#13
DiggingDogFarm Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York State Posts: 286	Here's an Italian ciliegia tomato that appears to be open-pollinated (hybrid isn't mentioned in the description). I wonder if there's a reason why they've removed the leaves, other than looks? Pomodoro Ciliegino Genio http://www.ilpomodoroitaliano.it/var...ori_genio.html Marty __________________ "The best thing about a vegetable garden is all the meat you can shoot and trap out of it!"

July 17, 2011	#14
zipcode Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Romania/Germany , z 4-6 Posts: 1,582	Pruning the bottom leaves is standard greenhouse procedure. Besides the fact that it helps with picking the tomatoes, it improves air movement to avoid diseases, and I suspect it also forces the plant for more top growth.