resistance and heirlooms tomatoes

[vegetal87]

Hello,

I'm a tomato addict and i want to sell tomatoes the next year with about 500 plants.

But it's difficult to find resistant heirloom or modern creations tomatoes to fusarium, verticilium and others.

Have you many varieties and adapted to the market.

I don't want hybrid F1

Best regards

[dice]

One of the best is an heirloom from France: Early Rouge.
Semi-determinate, baseball sized red fruit, productive, early mid-season. Set unusually well this year in cooler than average temperatures.

Another one I would try for natural disease tolerance is Kosovo
(large heart-shaped fruit).

[b54red]

I agree with dice about Kosovo. It seems to produce even when diseased.

The most consistent for production and disease tolerance for me is Indian Stripe. It also holds well for a dark tomato.

I have also had good production from Andrew Raharts Jumbo Red. Mine were never jumbo's though. It did resist fusarium very well.

[JLJ_]

Originally Posted by vegetal87

Hello,

I'm a tomato addict and i want to sell tomatoes the next year with about 500 plants.

But it's difficult to find resistant heirloom or modern creations tomatoes to fusarium, verticilium and others.

Have you many varieties and adapted to the market.

I don't want hybrid F1

Best regards

You might include some Marglobes in your plan. They were an early twentieth century commercial tomato -- but were the favorite for decades of many home gardeners -- including my grandmother. She always said that they were disease resistant -- good producers, good to eat, good to can, good for chili sauce -- and that the original Marglobe was better than the later variations -- and I've always found it so, too.

JLJ

[dice]

Super Marmande and Tigerella (the cherry sized striped one originally
from the UK) both have VF tolerance (Verticillium and Fusarium).

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by dice

Super Marmande and Tigerella (the cherry sized striped one originally
from the UK) both have VF tolerance (Verticillium and Fusarium).

That's a surprise to me Dice. I've grown all three varieties that came out of the initial cross at the Glassworks Research Center in England between Aisla Craig, and I can't remember the other parent now, and those three are Craigella, Tigerella and Tangella and none of them had any disease tolerances bred in to them. And I do like that other two but not Tigerella b'c it splits with the AM dew or if you look at it sideways and I don't like the taste.

When I Googled Tigerella about VF tolerance I didn't see anything but I saw the almost always mixup with Mr Stripey, the large bicolor, but that one doesn't have any tolerances either.

Has someone recently bred VF tolerance into Tigerella or any of the other two that came out of that cross? If so, I'd be interested to have a link just out of curiosity.

Thanks

[Mark0820]

I am not familiar with the growing conditions in France, so I can't really speak to disease resistance, but I think Indian Stripe would make a nice market tomato. It is pretty much blemish free, good size, productive and very good flavor. My plant held up extremely well to early blight this year.

Another blemish free, good size, fairly productive and good flavored tomato is Neves Azorean Red. And, I would also second Andrew Rahart Jumbo Red.

Edit: I just noticed b54red mentioned Indian Stripe above. Somehow I missed that the first time around.

[dice]

[Tigeralla]
I do not recall where I read that it was a VF (verticillium and fusarium
resistant) variety. I cannot find that information now with a 10-minute
Google Search. Perhaps it was a vendor error that has since been
corrected. If I recall correctly, my original Tigerella seeds were from
Seeds of Change, and their online listing does not mention VF
tolerance.

The flavor was fairly mild and slightly sweet at our summer temperatures,
and I have not had splitting problems with it. It was simply a little later
to ripen than I liked. (There are so many earlier cherry/saladette tomatoes
that I could grow instead.)

I mentioned it mainly for disease tolerance, but if that proves to be
a myth, so be it.

[vegetal87]

Thanks for your answer.
I don't know indian stripe but if i can find it.
I think ace 55 is resistant.

[JLJ_]

Originally Posted by vegetal87

I don't know indian stripe but if i can find it.

I believe original Marglobe is VFA. Some later versions allege improved disease resistance, but I have found original Marglobe tends to out perform them.

If you try Indian Stripe, you may want to do some checking on source, as there seem to be some sold as Indian Stripe, that don't appear to be what is expected.

This is one discussion of it here:

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=19291

There are other discussions here and on other forums where you have posted recently.

So many people speak well of it that I would like to try it myself -- but I keep hoping I can find some seed Carolyn has personally blessed.

[Mark0820]

Originally Posted by JLJ_

If you try Indian Stripe, you may want to do some checking on source, as there seem to be some sold as Indian Stripe, that don't appear to be what is expected.

This is one discussion of it here:

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=19291

There are other discussions here and on other forums where you have posted recently.

So many people speak well of it that I would like to try it myself -- but I keep hoping I can find some seed Carolyn has personally blessed.

One seed source for Indian Stripe is Gleckler Seedmen.

http://www.glecklerseedmen.com/Tomat...90_173815.aspx

Here is a thread that indicates Carolyn was the original seed source for Indian Stripe seed sold by Glecklers.

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...ral+discussion

[travis]

vegetal87, if you will private message me an address to which I can post seeds, I will send you an assortment of open pollinated and heirloom tomato seeds, including Indian Stripe, that I believe will resist fusarium, verticilium, and will tolerate diseases such as early blight and septoria.

And to answer your other question, yes Ace 55 is VF resistant.

The problem with saying that an heirloom is absolutely resistant to certain diseases is that no disease testing has been done on most varieties that we refer to as heirlooms, and our belief that one or another variety is resistant is based purely on trial and error growing healthy plants alongside diseased plants or in soil thought to carry certain diseases. But lacking innoculated specimens, that is not necessarily the scientific method required to prove resistance.

The best we can do is suggest or provide varieties we've successfully grown in adverse conditions.

[b54red]

I have had a very good experience with a variety called Lumpy Red this year. It is one of only two tomatoes from my early plant out that is still alive. It is a medium sized red tomato with very good flavor. The vine is what I would call semi-determinate because of the smaller size with a fairly condensed growth habit compared to most heirlooms. It was one of my most productive tomatoes with fruits that were far more uniform in size than most heirlooms. The plants produced in about 65 days which make it a fairly early tomato but it kept making for a long time without the fruits diminishing in size as much as usually happens.

[travis]

Where did Lumpy Red come from, and what leaf type is the vine?

[b54red]

I have no idea where it came from but I got my seed in a trade. I plan on growing more of them next year. I have one growing now that I planted on June 5 and it is the healthiest looking plant of all of the ones I set out in the summer. It shows no signs of disease and is setting fruit in this 100 degree weather. I'm hoping I will have a bunch of them to pick this fall because it was on of the best keepers this year. I wish now I had set out more of them for fall; but I like to keep trying new ones in the fall in hopes of finding a few more that can survive the mid summer planting and the horrible weather that follows.