Brandywine, Liam's

[kath]

I'm hoping to be able to get feedback about this variety about size, taste, production, disease, etc. I haven't found a Brandywine that I've loved yet and thought that since this isn't really a Brandywine, I might have better luck.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by kath

I'm hoping to be able to get feedback about this variety about size, taste, production, disease, etc. I haven't found a Brandywine that I've loved yet and thought that since this isn't really a Brandywine, I might have better luck.

Kath, I know of just a couple of reports back b'c I've spent most of my time when I see the variety posted, telling folks it isn't a Brandywine and explaining why.

One person lists it in the 2011 SSE YEarbook, Bill Minkey who got it from Larry who named it and was helping out Craig when making selections from Brandywine X Tad for what led to Lucky Cross and Little Lucky.Larry didn't list it for 2011.

Bill just said indet, reg leaf, great flavor and taste and good yields. At Tania's page for this variety R Gunn from TX also liked it very much.

I see that frin Tania's page that it was listed at TGS for 2011 but I never checked the catalog to see if it was there b'c Linda called me about it, .......yes she did list it, I just checked, but added the info I gave her about it as well. But didn't really say it wasn't Brandywine unless folks understood her disclaimer comment about it leading to Lucky Cross.

There must be others here who picked it up from TGS b'c I know quite a few here do buy seeds from TGS.

Sounds like a good large pink with excellent taste and yields with RL foliage,

[kath]

Thanks for your response, Carolyn. I was perusing the TGS catalog today and it sounded interesting so I checked it out at Tania's. As you said, there must be some Tomatovillians who grew it this year...I'll be patient...

[travis]

If (Brandywine) Liam's has Brandywine Sudduth as one parent, then I'd have to say it's as much a Brandywine (or more so) than many varieties that now carry the name Brandywine.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by travis

If (Brandywine) Liam's has Brandywine Sudduth as one parent, then I'd have to say it's as much a Brandywine (or more so) than many varieties that now carry the name Brandywine.

Absolutely true Travis. In retrospect Craig and I should not have probably named the result of a natural cross between Yellow Brandywine and ??? OTV Brandywine, but we did.

And you and I and I think others can name other varieties that are part Brandywine and part not.

But I do think that when someone names a new variety they should at least try to indicate the initial parentage, where it's known, whether it's the one we're talking about or not.

When Larry first SSE listed Brandywine, Liam's he did say it was " selected from an early "strain" ( maybe selection better?) during the development of Lucky Cross."

But I'm not sure that all folks reading it understood what he was saying. At that time I don't think Craig even realized that Tad was the other parent.

I do think that some folks will see the name Bradywine, Liam's, and think it's a pure, if you will, Brandywine, just as one sees the other so called strains ( lets not revisit strain, we did that here last week) of it such as Joyce's or Glick's, Sudduth, etc., or my fave, Brandywine, Pawers, which was due to a typo.

[travis]

I can't believe we don't already have a Brandywine Cherokee. Oh, that gives me an idea

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by travis

I can't believe we don't already have a Brandywine Cherokee. Oh, that gives me an idea

Why not and you can call your final stable selection Cherrywine and use the juice to make hooch.

[OtterJon]

Carolyn, It's a little known fact that the Pawers strain IS the most delectable of the bunch. I like them on my imaginary BLTs this time of year.

Ok I'm a bit overtired, going to bed now...

[Alpinejs]

I have been doing a little cross breeding myself. Here are the results of my extensive
breeding program and the assigned names.

PARENT PLANTS -------------------------------------ASSIGNED NAME

Lincoln Adam & Apple Tree-------------------------Adam's Apple
Stuffing & Turkey Chomp --------------------------Turkey Stuffing
Homer's German Oxheart & Sweet --------------Home Home Sweet Homer
Americke Pyrmamidni & Idol -----------------------American Idol
Cruise & Alaskan fancy -----------------------------Alaskan Cruise
Limbaugh's Legacy & Golden Rush ---------------Rush Limbaugh
Tel Aviv Train & Maiden's Kiss ----------------------Kiss and Tell
Thai Pink Eggs & Red Sausage --------------------Sausage and Eggs
Cow's Tit & Italian Nipple ---------------------------Italian Cow (what else?)

Seeds should be available from most seed companies in 2013 and the seed racks in the
big box stores. Just my contribution to the wonderful world of heirlooms.

[tgplp]

Hahaha! Love the names. Thanks for a laugh.



Taryn

Originally Posted by Alpinejs

I have been doing a little cross breeding myself. Here are the results of my extensive
breeding program and the assigned names.

PARENT PLANTS -------------------------------------ASSIGNED NAME

Lincoln Adam & Apple Tree-------------------------Adam's Apple
Stuffing & Turkey Chomp --------------------------Turkey Stuffing
Homer's German Oxheart & Sweet --------------Home Home Sweet Homer
Americke Pyrmamidni & Idol -----------------------American Idol
Cruise & Alaskan fancy -----------------------------Alaskan Cruise
Limbaugh's Legacy & Golden Rush ---------------Rush Limbaugh
Tel Aviv Train & Maiden's Kiss ----------------------Kiss and Tell
Thai Pink Eggs & Red Sausage --------------------Sausage and Eggs
Cow's Tit & Italian Nipple ---------------------------Italian Cow (what else?)

Seeds should be available from most seed companies in 2013 and the seed racks in the
big box stores. Just my contribution to the wonderful world of heirlooms.

[Alpinejs]

Oops, I left out my favorite of the new crosses that I am doing. I crossed Jungle Salad
with Alpine. The new variety is named AlpineJS.

[kygreg]

Brianywine Liams was a good producer for me this year and one of the better tasters, along with Marazini and Red Barn. The BL produced fairly early early had fruits until late Sept.

[kath]

Thanks, kygreg- would you consider describing the taste a bit or comparing it to something similar? Juicy? Seedy? Meaty? Any sweetness going on? Were the fruits pretty or lumpy? Mazarini wasn't one of my faves this year- I haven't grown Red Barn.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by kath

Thanks, kygreg- would you consider describing the taste a bit or comparing it to something similar? Juicy? Seedy? Meaty? Any sweetness going on? Were the fruits pretty or lumpy? Mazarini wasn't one of my faves this year- I haven't grown Red Barn.

Kath, I haven't grown Liam's Brandywine, as I posted earlier, so can't comment other than I did but I sure know Red Barn very well and can comment and will. And I think it's been overlooked.

It's one of the several varieties where Joe Bratka found the seeds for several varieties that his father had bred that were in labelled glass jars in a toolshed, couldn't germinate the seeds and sent them to me to try.

I was able to wake up the following:

Red Barn
Box Car Willie
Mule Team
Great Divide
Pasture.

I've encouraged folks to look beyond Box Car and Mule Team, which many many folks now grow, and try Red Barn. And I do think it's the overlooked one of that group. The past few years I've been offering older seeds of it here in my seed offers and quite a few folks requested it.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Red_Barn

I'm putting Tania's page for it here so that anyone reading here knows where they can purchase seeds. Tania is alread sold out for 2011 but Glecklers and Sandhill are two other good sources.

And why do I post where one can buy seeds ? Because I think you know that I feel very strongly about supporting small family run companies, especially in these tough economic times. You also know that I'm not a seed trader unless someone sends me a great tomato variety previously not known.

So I do encourage folks to buy, not trade for, as many varieties as they can, in the interest of keeping solvent those companies whose livlihood depends on sales of tomato seeds.