Wild Cherry vs Matt's Wild Cherry

[riceke]

Okay my curiosity overwhelmed my judgement and I bought these two seed packets. Does anyone know or have planted these two and is there really a difference or just marketing nomenclatures here? The Matt' s Wild Cherry indicates that it has rampant vines whereas the Wild Cherry does not.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by riceke

Okay my curiosity overwhelmed my judgement and I bought these two seed packets. Does anyone know or have planted these two and is there really a difference or just marketing nomenclatures here? The Matt' s Wild Cherry indicates that it has rampant vines whereas the Wild Cherry does not.

When the Spanish missionaries left Mexico and travelled along the gulf Coast then down into FL, seeds for so called "wild" tomatoes were spread.

If you had an SSE Yearbook in fornt of you you'd see that there are listings for many so called wild ones, some are currants, some are not, some like Matt's Wild are cerasiformes which means a partially domesticaled cherry, and on and on,

You might have noticed inmy seed offer that A few folks were asked to sign up for what might well be, a pink, whereas most are red.

But I don't know of one IDed as being wild in some way that has less than rampant vines, so I have no idea what your Wild Cherry is,

So plant both and see what your wild Cherry ( and is it even a cherry, or is it a currant or a cerasiforme) turns out to be.

Hope that helps.

[Jeannine Anne]

I have just received a packet of Wild Cherry in the mail today

Packet reads Wild Cherry-Sm.Wild Tomato. Super sweet,small red cherry-like flavour.
Outstanding blight resistance.Produces 100s of fruit on each plant.Spreads to 7 feet in every direction.

I also received..

Cheesmanii-Small Wild Tomato. Very old and rare North American heirloom.Prolific.
Large clusters of small orange pear-shaped gems.Piercing sweetness. Strong disease and blight resistancs.

XX Jeannine

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Jeannine Anne

I have just received a packet of Wild Cherry in the mail today

Packet reads Wild Cherry-Sm.Wild Tomato. Super sweet,small red cherry-like flavour.
Outstanding blight resistance.Produces 100s of fruit on each plant.Spreads to 7 feet in every direction.

I also received..

Cheesmanii-Small Wild Tomato. Very old and rare North American heirloom.Prolific.
Large clusters of small orange pear-shaped gems.Piercing sweetness. Strong disease and blight resistancs.

XX Jeannine

I don't know what the wild cherry is, but will say if it's a cherry then it's not a wild one. Do you remember last year when someone in Fl somewhere said he found a wild cherry in a clearing somewhere? Probably grew there from seeds from cherries from a salad bar somewhere.

Jeannine. You were given really lots of wrong info for Solanum Cheesmanii.

It is not an heirloom at all. It is not rare, it is not from North America.

It is one of the now 17 SPECIES of tomato, is native to the Galapagos islands, is salt tolerant, and I've grown and tasted it.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-a...iw=757&bih=403

Above is a Google search so you can read correct information about it.

Taste? Well, see if you like it but piercing sweetness is not how I would describe it.

[attml]

First of all, I just want to say welcome back Carolyn - This is why we all love you so much and why the board seemed off the last couple of days :-)

Per your question, I have only grown Matt's wild cherry and it was fantastic!!! The fruit is small but it packed an intense flavor for me!! One our families favorites from last year!!

[Jeannine Anne]

Carolyn they were purchased from Salt Spring Island seeds and arrived to day.

I also bought

Elizabeth;Med Tomato
Family Heirloom fromMike Stefancsik 2 ounce red tomatoes of great flavour.grows to over 10 feet and keeps producing huge numbers of fruit per plant.Good in greenhouse

Mystery Keeper.Med Tomato.Baseball sized rich orange fruit,firm flesh and zesty flavour.Amazing keeper,keeps through winter for salads in the cold of January and beyond! Blight and crack resistant.

Pollock-me tomato Selected by Andy Pollock of Houston BC for earliness and good cores 4-10 ozs rich flavoured tomatoes that keep on coming and coming.Good blight resisitance, need staking.

Slava-med tomato.Rare variety from the czech Republic.Name means glory and it is a glorious one.Blight resistant,delicious,prolific,and early Indet.

Sicilian Saucer-beefsteak.Prolific Italian scarlet heirloom,smooth rich texture and flavour,flattened uniform shape,keeps well on vine when picked,great slicer,in salad,or for processing , semi det.

Are these described right

XX Jeannine

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Jeannine Anne

Carolyn they were purchased from Salt Spring Island seeds and arrived to day.

I also bought

Elizabeth;Med Tomato
Family Heirloom fromMike Stefancsik 2 ounce red tomatoes of great flavour.grows to over 10 feet and keeps producing huge numbers of fruit per plant.Good in greenhouse

Mystery Keeper.Med Tomato.Baseball sized rich orange fruit,firm flesh and zesty flavour.Amazing keeper,keeps through winter for salads in the cold of January and beyond! Blight and crack resistant.

Pollock-me tomato Selected by Andy Pollock of Houston BC for earliness and good cores 4-10 ozs rich flavoured tomatoes that keep on coming and coming.Good blight resisitance, need staking.

Slava-med tomato.Rare variety from the czech Republic.Name means glory and it is a glorious one.Blight resistant,delicious,prolific,and early Indet.

Sicilian Saucer-beefsteak.Prolific Italian scarlet heirloom,smooth rich texture and flavour,flattened uniform shape,keeps well on vine when picked,great slicer,in salad,or for processing , semi det.

Are these described right

XX Jeannine

Jeannine, I am not seeing well b/c of the swelling around each eye but I knew Slava was correct and am going to let you check out the others at Tania's site first and we'll go from there.

What I don't like is the continual reference to blight resistance in almost all the descriptions. Blight is a general word that many use to describe any tomato disease, whether foliar or systemic. And if foliar there is no resistance, just tolerance, with a couple of exceptions.

If someone wants to use blight tolerance as a description it should be specified what that means spcifically.

Anyone can have foliage diseases one year and not the next b/c of the way that tomato foliage diseases are spread and there's also splashback infection as well, which I know I and others have discussed here at Tville many times.

So please see what you can find out first, and yes, I do know Salt Springs.

[Jeannine Anne]

I will do that Carolyn thank you,of course the reason I bought most of them was because of the blight thing.

Lovely to have you back.

XX Jeannine

[riceke]

Not to open this up again but here is the description and where I got the seed:

Trade Winds Seeds

Wild Tomato
Lycopersicon hirsutum x esculentum
A rare hybrid of L. hirsutum with the garden tomato. Fruits are variable in size, from 1 oz up to several ounces. Fruits ripen to red, often with prominent lobes. Flavor is pretty typical tomato-like and the spreading vines bear rather heavily, with fruits in large clusters. Annual. #1971

Matt's Wild Cherry Tomato
Solanum lycopersicum var cerasiforme
25-50 seeds per pack. A wild tomato, with succulent sweet fruit, this variety remains one of the most popular wild types. Fruits grow to 3/4", with high sugar content. They grow best in warmer or tropical climates, though plants can be grown anywhere standard tomatoes are grown. Fruits are born in sizable clusters and ripen to a bright red. 60 days. #2701

[Jeannine Anne]

I have looked at Tania;s site and on the net.

Tomato Growers,in regard to their Wild Cherry adds, 1/2 inch diameter originally from Mexico where grow wild,indet 60 days .

Trade Winds one is Wild Tomato..not Wild Cherry

I think I am losing it ..so confusing..and I am very reluctant to use valuable space on this and indeed most of what |I bought in this batch of purchases as I bought them specifically for the blight resistance and so far I cannotr find any other refeernce to that.

XX Jeannine



I also found a few other palces selling it and saying it is the same as Matts.

[carolyn137]

Jeannine, foliar tolerance and often approaching resistance, is ONLY found with true currants, S. pimpinellifolium. Some currant varieties are actually named varieties, most are not.

[GunnarSK]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Slava was correct.

Originally Posted by Jeannine Anne

Slava-med tomato.Rare variety from the czech Republic.Name means glory and it is a glorious one.Blight resistant,delicious,prolific,and early Indet.

Yes, Sláva means glory or pride in Czech, but I don't know of any plain Sláva variety, but that may be due to my lacking interest in gardening while I lived in Prague. The variety Sláva Porýní is commercially available and therefore not rare. It isn't early either, and in Germany it is known as "Rheinlands Ruhm". In America the German name is used, but a translation would work too: "Rhineland's Pride".

Here is a link to a Czech site with pictures of Sláva Porýní:

http://www.rajcata.com/bio-rajcata/r...-slava-poryni/

[riceke]

Okay..now that the "Wild Cherry" has grown and produced I find that both the Matt's Cherry and the Wild Cherry are virtually the same plant. All 4 (2 of each) have grown up through a 8' pergola I built in the bed. (Sorry I haven't mastered the photo publishing yet). All have odd looking leaves. Much coarser than the normally indented types associated with regular tomatoes. Additionally the tomato is 1/2" bright red in small clusters. Not the huge clusters as advertised. When they are pulled off the stem they usually come off with the sepals and receptacle attached and sometimes the fruit splits when removed. All in all I wouldn't marvel at this variety and would only consider it an oddity. I picked about 25 and they only filled a quarter of a cup. Not bad tasting thoug. As far as being disease free as advertised mine have begun a yellowing between the leave veining from the bottom of the plant. It looks more like a deficiency rather than the dreaded blight twins. Maybe as the season progresses the output will get better.

[Cole_Robbie]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

It is one of the now 17 SPECIES of tomato, is native to the Galapagos islands, is salt tolerant, and I've grown and tasted it.

I was just now reading about those Galapogos tomatoes. I wanted to bump this thread to ask - where did they come from? Did all of the other species of tomatoes come to exist independently of the Mexican/South American tomatoes? Or did they have to be carried there by people? Can tomatoes move from island to island if the seeds are carried by sea birds?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

I was just now reading about those Galapogos tomatoes. I wanted to bump this thread to ask - where did they come from? Did all of the other species of tomatoes come to exist independently of the Mexican/South American tomatoes? Or did they have to be carried there by people? Can tomatoes move from island to island if the seeds are carried by sea birds?

It;s thought that tomatoes reached the Galapagos islands via bird transmission and there are different ones on some of the islands.Birds from the western part of Peru where so many of the species have been found, or possibly from Mexico

Amy Goldman visited the Galapagos islands and I'd asked her to bring back some cheesmanni for me but that's not what she brought back. How she got the fruits past customs I don;t know but she sent me fruits, I took out seeds and grew them for that same season,

She had named it after her daughter Sara;s Galapagos and I then went to the TGRC and talked with Dr, Chatelet and once he knew which island it was from and I did since Amy told me, he was able to tell me what it probably was.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...%27s_Galapagos

And here's the history for Matt;s Wild as also posted at Johnny's who introduced it

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...b=General_Info

Carolyn