fish lake oxheart dtm?

tjg911 · April 7, 2012

tatiana's database says mid season. i'd like days. i know it is an estimate but is it 75, 80, 85?

kath i got the seeds from you and you from carolyn iirc, i'm sure i asked you but what did they do for you?

thanks,

tom

kath · April 7, 2012

Plant out day was 5/13- picked first fruit on 7/20. So it was more early than mid-season for me.

kath

ljp · April 7, 2012

I'm moving towards early, mid, and late season instead of DTM. I found DTM didn't match my experience with the plants, particularly, from 75 to 80 days. Theoretically later plants were earlier than some of the shorter DTM plants. When you consider that DTM depends on conditions, putting a number on DTM is a mugs game. I would suggest: early 50-70, mid 65-80, late 75-90. Tania does the early/mid/late and Dave's Garden has a range 60-80 days for a large selection of tomatoes. (I didn't check if I'm off 5 days)

b54red · April 8, 2012

I grew 6 Fish Lake Oxheart plants last year and it was the earliest of all the varieties I planted. My very earliest was 55 days and my latest took only 61 days so I would definitely call it an early tomato. We did have an unusually hot spring last year with temps reaching 100 in May so I'm sure that was a contributing factor. I think in a cooler climate it would take longer but it was still earlier than 110 other varieties I planted last year.

**carolyn137** · April 8, 2012

I'm of the opinion that DTM's are sheer guesstimates b'c there are so many variables ranging from weather in any one season, how you grow your tomatoes, amendments if used and if so, what kind and how much, etc.

Back in 1998 I switched to early, midseason and late season and gave a day range to each of those categories.

Glenn at Sandhill did the same thing but I think a little later than I did.

tjg911 · April 9, 2012

hey i know i even said that dtm is an estimate but i wanted to know.

after i started this i thought about when i pick tomatoes and the dtm. it's totally useless! i put them out on memorial day and i'm often picking 75-80 dtm tomatoes by the 3rd sometimes 2nd week in july. so that's what, not even 60 days. granted before i grew my tomatoes under shop lights they produced a good 3 weeks later, usually 2nd to 3rd week in august. i liked to have the number for a relative comparison but it is meaningless.

so i changed my garden document. for tomatoes i no longer have the dtm listed. i just kept date 1st picked and date 1st eaten for each variety. that's what matters so so long to the dtm boogieman.

tom

dice · April 16, 2012

I like the Rutgers scale:

same as Rutgers
earlier than Rutgers
later than Rutgers
way earlier than Rutgers
much later than Rutgers

janezee · April 16, 2012

Yippee! I'm growing Rutgers this year, and I just might use that scale, dice!

I'm guessing that at one time that really was an accurate scale of time, due to its popularity.

dice · April 19, 2012

I remember reading a comment in a GW thread by someone from
Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, somewhere south of the Great Lakes, to the effect
that "they only want Rutgers; anything else, you can hardly give them
away". (This was someone selling seedlings in a rural area, IIRC.)

janezee · April 20, 2012

Wow, I thought life had moved on. Rutgers was popular when I was a kid. But they are reliably round and red!

j

April 7, 2012	#1
tjg911 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: zone 5b northwest connecticut Posts: 2,570	fish lake oxheart dtm? tatiana's database says mid season. i'd like days. i know it is an estimate but is it 75, 80, 85? kath i got the seeds from you and you from carolyn iirc, i'm sure i asked you but what did they do for you? thanks, tom __________________ I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night He’s gotta be strong And he’s gotta be fast And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the morning light He’s gotta be sure And it’s gotta be soon And he’s gotta be larger than life

April 8, 2012	#5
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	I'm of the opinion that DTM's are sheer guesstimates b'c there are so many variables ranging from weather in any one season, how you grow your tomatoes, amendments if used and if so, what kind and how much, etc. Back in 1998 I switched to early, midseason and late season and gave a day range to each of those categories. Glenn at Sandhill did the same thing but I think a little later than I did. __________________ Carolyn

April 9, 2012	#6
tjg911 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: zone 5b northwest connecticut Posts: 2,570	hey i know i even said that dtm is an estimate but i wanted to know. after i started this i thought about when i pick tomatoes and the dtm. it's totally useless! i put them out on memorial day and i'm often picking 75-80 dtm tomatoes by the 3rd sometimes 2nd week in july. so that's what, not even 60 days. granted before i grew my tomatoes under shop lights they produced a good 3 weeks later, usually 2nd to 3rd week in august. i liked to have the number for a relative comparison but it is meaningless. so i changed my garden document. for tomatoes i no longer have the dtm listed. i just kept date 1st picked and date 1st eaten for each variety. that's what matters so so long to the dtm boogieman. tom __________________ I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night He’s gotta be strong And he’s gotta be fast And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the morning light He’s gotta be sure And it’s gotta be soon And he’s gotta be larger than life

April 16, 2012	#7
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	I like the Rutgers scale: same as Rutgers earlier than Rutgers later than Rutgers way earlier than Rutgers much later than Rutgers __________________ -- alias

April 19, 2012	#9
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	I remember reading a comment in a GW thread by someone from Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, somewhere south of the Great Lakes, to the effect that "they only want Rutgers; anything else, you can hardly give them away". (This was someone selling seedlings in a rural area, IIRC.) __________________ -- alias

April 7, 2012	#2
kath Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: zone 6b, PA Posts: 5,664	Plant out day was 5/13- picked first fruit on 7/20. So it was more early than mid-season for me. kath

April 7, 2012	#3
ljp Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 189	I'm moving towards early, mid, and late season instead of DTM. I found DTM didn't match my experience with the plants, particularly, from 75 to 80 days. Theoretically later plants were earlier than some of the shorter DTM plants. When you consider that DTM depends on conditions, putting a number on DTM is a mugs game. I would suggest: early 50-70, mid 65-80, late 75-90. Tania does the early/mid/late and Dave's Garden has a range 60-80 days for a large selection of tomatoes. (I didn't check if I'm off 5 days)

April 8, 2012	#4
b54red Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,068	I grew 6 Fish Lake Oxheart plants last year and it was the earliest of all the varieties I planted. My very earliest was 55 days and my latest took only 61 days so I would definitely call it an early tomato. We did have an unusually hot spring last year with temps reaching 100 in May so I'm sure that was a contributing factor. I think in a cooler climate it would take longer but it was still earlier than 110 other varieties I planted last year.

April 16, 2012	#8
janezee Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Whidbey Island, WA Zone 7, Sunset 5 Posts: 931	Yippee! I'm growing Rutgers this year, and I just might use that scale, dice! I'm guessing that at one time that really was an accurate scale of time, due to its popularity.

April 20, 2012	#10
janezee Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Whidbey Island, WA Zone 7, Sunset 5 Posts: 931	Wow, I thought life had moved on. Rutgers was popular when I was a kid. But they are reliably round and red! j